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Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: May 28, 2023
Published: May 28, 2023
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  2. Zadina, Filip
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  2. Myers, Tyler
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DET
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  2. Vejmelka, Karel
ARI
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  2. Doucet, Alexandre
  3. Fabbri, Robby
  4. Niederbach, Theodor [Reserve List]
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  6. 2023 3rd round pick (DET)
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May 28, 2023 at 11:22 p.m.
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Quoting: JhonnyCanuck5
MTL likely isn’t trading Suzuki. He’s a good player he may not even be top 20 at his position, definitely not top 10. His ceiling is average to slightly above average 1C.


He doesn't need to be top 10 at his position. Habs made the finals with him and Danault lol.

Plus the Habs are getting Dubois on the cheap. Both arent superstars but a 1-2 punch of them is gonna be painful to play against.
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May 28, 2023 at 11:23 p.m.
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Undersized 7th round pick passed over already in the nhl draft. Just screams blue chip prospect. Comfortably taking the under on 20 career nhl games

It’s ok to think low of a prospect but making the argument based on where he was drafted is weak and irrelevant now.
May 28, 2023 at 11:30 p.m.
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It’s ok to think low of a prospect but making the argument based on where he was drafted is weak and irrelevant now.


A) that is RICH coming from a guy who made Zadina a piece in the trade to behin with.

B) Ask anyone who scouts undersized players who arent productive until their last year in junior are a dime a dozen. They are usually only productive because now they are the adult playing agaonst kids. He will likely get cut from grand rapids this next season
May 28, 2023 at 11:35 p.m.
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A) that is RICH coming from a guy who made Zadina a piece in the trade to behin with.

B) Ask anyone who scouts undersized players who arent productive until their last year in junior are a dime a dozen. They are usually only productive because now they are the adult playing agaonst kids. He will likely get cut from grand rapids this next season

I never made any statement regarding Zadina’s value, potential or anything so I’m not sure what’s “rich” about including him as one of several pieces in a trade.

Lombardi isn’t getting cut from anywhere; what are you even talking about? Man, I hate when people talk directly out of their asses when it comes to prospects they know nothing about. My man, swallow your pride, each team has like 40 prospects in their pipelines, it’s unrealistic for people to have familiarity with every single one of them from every team. We won’t look at you as any less of a person for not knowing the player. Ignorance is not a bad thing, we all are.
You’re just making yourself look ridiculous and douchey by spewing nonsense.
May 28, 2023 at 11:38 p.m.
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Yeah because late round picks never bloom into great players after some development. Especially not guys like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Alfredsson, Hull, Demitria, Theo Fleury, Pavelski, Stralman, Hornqvist, Braun, Demers, Palat, Ericsson, Haula, Weeger, Kubalik, etc.

Also, learn how to read. Never said blue chip. He climbed into Detroit’s top 10 this season. 102 points in 67 games in the OHL and 1 point in 2 games (extremely small sample size) in the AHL this season.
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May 28, 2023 at 11:42 p.m.
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He doesn't need to be top 10 at his position. Habs made the finals with him and Danault lol.

Plus the Habs are getting Dubois on the cheap. Both arent superstars but a 1-2 punch of them is gonna be painful to play against.


Yeah, Carey Price, the weak all Canada conference, and restrictions on fans had nothing to do with Montreal “earning” the right to get slaughtered in the finals…

Plus, PLD could be cheap. Or you know, he could not be… He may even agree to a trade with another team.
May 28, 2023 at 11:44 p.m.
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I never made any statement regarding Zadina’s value, potential or anything so I’m not sure what’s “rich” about including him as one of several pieces in a trade.

Lombardi isn’t getting cut from anywhere; what are you even talking about? Man, I hate when people talk directly out of their asses when it comes to prospects they know nothing about. My man, swallow your pride, each team has like 40 prospects in their pipelines, it’s unrealistic for people to have familiarity with every single one of them from every team. We won’t look at you as any less of a person for not knowing the player. Ignorance is not a bad thing, we all are.
You’re just making yourself look ridiculous and douchey by spewing nonsense.


I am well aware of who he is I am a ohl season ticket holder. Family has been since i was about 5.

Every year the league has some nobody who comes in their last year of junior and is very productive after not being for the first 3 years.

Every year that teams fans spouts him as some found bluechip prospect.

Most of them barely get their footing in the AHL.

He is not a move the needle prospect to the habs.
May 28, 2023 at 11:45 p.m.
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I never made any statement regarding Zadina’s value, potential or anything so I’m not sure what’s “rich” about including him as one of several pieces in a trade.

Lombardi isn’t getting cut from anywhere; what are you even talking about? Man, I hate when people talk directly out of their asses when it comes to prospects they know nothing about. My man, swallow your pride, each team has like 40 prospects in their pipelines, it’s unrealistic for people to have familiarity with every single one of them from every team. We won’t look at you as any less of a person for not knowing the player. Ignorance is not a bad thing, we all are.
You’re just making yourself look ridiculous and douchey by spewing nonsense.


Again, you have to stop using logic. It scares them.
May 29, 2023 at 12:01 a.m.
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I am well aware of who he is I am a ohl season ticket holder. Family has been since i was about 5.

Every year the league has some nobody who comes in their last year of junior and is very productive after not being for the first 3 years.

Every year that teams fans spouts him as some found bluechip prospect.

Most of them barely get their footing in the AHL.

He is not a move the needle prospect to the habs.

He’s a “C” prospect, nothing special. But he made enough of an impression to earn a 3 year contract from the Wings. Nobody is bringing up being a blue chip prospect besides you.
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May 29, 2023 at 12:09 a.m.
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He’s a “C” prospect, nothing special. But he made enough of an impression to earn a 3 year contract from the Wings. Nobody is bringing up being a blue chip prospect besides you.


Then how is it anything approachong a fair trade.

If the two prospects are essentially worthless then you are offerong essentially what ottawa gave for chycrun who A) is older B) is a worse player C) isnt signed long term.

Hence it being a garbage proposal
May 29, 2023 at 12:21 a.m.
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Then how is it anything approachong a fair trade.

If the two prospects are essentially worthless then you are offerong essentially what ottawa gave for chycrun who A) is older B) is a worse player C) isnt signed long term.

Hence it being a garbage proposal


A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd plus a 3rd line winger(currently) and a prospect who has show is capable of exceeding expectations for a guy who has yet to average close to a point per game in 4 seasons is pretty far from a garbage proposal. Again, MTL likely isn’t trading him, but stop acting like the offer was Mike Hoffman and a 5th…
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May 29, 2023 at 12:23 a.m.
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Then how is it anything approachong a fair trade.

If the two prospects are essentially worthless then you are offerong essentially what ottawa gave for chycrun who A) is older B) is a worse player C) isnt signed long term.

Hence it being a garbage proposal

I’ve maintained that I believe more could/should be added to the deal indicating that it does favor Detroit. My only argument is that it isn’t a “pitiful” offer. I believe it would be considered a solid “first offer” type package for Suzuki. The 9th overall selection in this draft is nothing to sneeze at and it’s quite arguably better than the 7th overall pick that was traded for DeBrincat. I don’t think the Chychrun deal is a good comparison considering this is a definitive selection.

Zadina’s maximum value is around a 2nd/3rd round pick and for arguments sake, Lombardi’s is the same. So it’s Suzuki for the 9th overall, 42nd overall & worst case scenario three 3rd round picks. What do you think would need to be added to that haul to “even things out”?
May 29, 2023 at 12:31 a.m.
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A 1st, 2nd, and 3rd plus a 3rd line winger(currently) and a prospect who has show is capable of exceeding expectations for a guy who has yet to average close to a point per game in 4 seasons is pretty far from a garbage proposal. Again, MTL likely isn’t trading him, but stop acting like the offer was Mike Hoffman and a 5th…


Where is the current 3rd line winger zadina had 7 points in 30 games last year thats not a 3rd liner. He had a worse statline than pezzetta.
May 29, 2023 at 12:34 a.m.
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I’ve maintained that I believe more could/should be added to the deal indicating that it does favor Detroit. My only argument is that it isn’t a “pitiful” offer. I believe it would be considered a solid “first offer” type package for Suzuki. The 9th overall selection in this draft is nothing to sneeze at and it’s quite arguably better than the 7th overall pick that was traded for DeBrincat. I don’t think the Chychrun deal is a good comparison considering this is a definitive selection.

Zadina’s maximum value is around a 2nd/3rd round pick and for arguments sake, Lombardi’s is the same. So it’s Suzuki for the 9th overall, 42nd overall & worst case scenario three 3rd round picks. What do you think would need to be added to that haul to “even things out”?


So if zadina is worth a 2nd ypu will give us the 42 pick for pezzetta? Because he had a better statline than zadina this year + he fights.

Zadina isnt worth a 3rd even with that contract. Amadeus being worth a 3rd is laughable as well.
May 29, 2023 at 12:39 a.m.
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So if zadina is worth a 2nd ypu will give us the 42 pick for pezzetta? Because he had a better statline than zadina this year + he fights.

Zadina isnt worth a 3rd even with that contract. Amadeus being worth a 3rd is laughable as well.

Okay they’re worthless - are you gonna answer my question? You want Seider & Raymond instead?
May 29, 2023 at 12:51 a.m.
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Okay they’re worthless - are you gonna answer my question? You want Seider & Raymond instead?


You are the one who is try to acquire a 23 year old centre original 6 CAPTAIN who can put up points with non first line players the majority of the season whos signed long term in his prime for a excellent priceand you dont offer any of seider raymond cossa kaspar or edvinson.

Thats a joke of an offer and not remotely realistic
May 29, 2023 at 12:54 a.m.
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You are the one who is try to acquire a 23 year old centre original 6 CAPTAIN who can put up points with non first line players the majority of the season whos signed long term in his prime for a excellent priceand you dont offer any of seider raymond cossa kaspar or edvinson.

Thats a joke of an offer and not remotely realistic

Still avoiding the question. You’re good at this.
May 29, 2023 at 12:57 a.m.
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Still avoiding the question. You’re good at this.


Ya if the habs are trading Suzuki I want Seider. The redwings dont have any other assets worth moving Suzuki for.
May 29, 2023 at 1:08 a.m.
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Ya if the habs are trading Suzuki I want Seider. The redwings dont have any other assets worth moving Suzuki for.

What you want and what is possible presents an insurmountable gap. Moritz Seider being traded is something that would never happen. Do you realize if you were to trade Suzuki to Detroit and Seider was going to MTL, you’d have to add like 2 first round picks along with Suzuki? And it still wouldn’t happen.

I don’t think you realize the status of a Moritz Seider. The guy is earmarked to be a hall of famer and have his number hanging in the rafters. There is only one other defenseman in the league that is more valuable than Seider and that is Cale Makar.
May 29, 2023 at 1:14 a.m.
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What you want and what is possible presents an insurmountable gap. Moritz Seider being traded is something that would never happen. Do you realize if you were to trade Suzuki to Detroit and Seider was going to MTL, you’d have to add like 2 first round picks along with Suzuki? And it still wouldn’t happen.

I don’t think you realize the status of a Moritz Seider. The guy is earmarked to be a hall of famer and have his number hanging in the rafters. There is only one other defenseman in the league that is more valuable than Seider and that is Cale Makar.


Says the guy trying to trade for the 23 YEAR OLD CAPTAIN OF THE MONTREAL CANADIENS FOR ONLY FUTURES.

What YOU want and whats possible is a insurmountable gap. The habs arent trading someone who has PROVEN himself to be able to handle being a big time player in the mecca of hockey

If you want him its Seider there are two sodes to every trade and you dont have anything else that will make the habs say yes so move along.
May 29, 2023 at 1:17 a.m.
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Says the guy trying to trade for the 23 YEAR OLD CAPTAIN OF THE MONTREAL CANADIENS FOR ONLY FUTURES.

What YOU want and whats possible is a insurmountable gap. The habs arent trading someone who has PROVEN himself to be able to handle being a big time player in the mecca of hockey

If you want him its Seider there are two sodes to every trade and you dont have anything else that will make the habs say yes so move along.

Suzuki has like 8% of the value Seider has. Lol. Trust me, no GM is as simple minded as you are to even bring up Seider in trade talks whereas, Suzuki can certainly be had for the right price; and that price is certainly not Moritz Seider. That is pure lunacy.
May 29, 2023 at 1:24 a.m.
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Suzuki has like 8% of the value Seider has. Lol. Trust me, no GM is as simple minded as you are to even bring up Seider in trade talks whereas, Suzuki can certainly be had for the right price; and that price is certainly not Moritz Seider. That is pure lunacy.


No GM is also stupid enough to think what ypu offered is even in the ballpark tp start a conversation about Suzuki.

If Yzerman called up Hughes to ask for Suzuki Kents response would be Seider and when hes told no Kent would say ok nice talking to you and hang up. Theres nothing else to discuss because the redwings dont have anything else the habs wpuld want for Suzuki.
May 29, 2023 at 2:06 a.m.
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No GM is also stupid enough to think what ypu offered is even in the ballpark tp start a conversation about Suzuki.

If Yzerman called up Hughes to ask for Suzuki Kents response would be Seider and when hes told no Kent would say ok nice talking to you and hang up. Theres nothing else to discuss because the redwings dont have anything else the habs wpuld want for Suzuki.

Ur wrong. That’s like Edmonton calling for Suzuki and u asking for McDavid or Draisatl. Just stop lmao.
May 29, 2023 at 2:13 a.m.
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No GM is also stupid enough to think what ypu offered is even in the ballpark tp start a conversation about Suzuki.

If Yzerman called up Hughes to ask for Suzuki Kents response would be Seider and when hes told no Kent would say ok nice talking to you and hang up. Theres nothing else to discuss because the redwings dont have anything else the habs wpuld want for Suzuki.


He thinks NHL23 trades are real life lol.

Quoting: IDKtbh
Suzuki has like 8% of the value Seider has. Lol. Trust me, no GM is as simple minded as you are to even bring up Seider in trade talks whereas, Suzuki can certainly be had for the right price; and that price is certainly not Moritz Seider. That is pure lunacy.


Accept that your ACGM was crap it's okay. If Kent Hughes made that trade I would expect Molson to promptly fire him.
May 29, 2023 at 2:15 a.m.
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Ur wrong. That’s like Edmonton calling for Suzuki and u asking for McDavid or Draisatl. Just stop lmao.


Are you comparing Moritz Seider who has two seasons under his belt to ****ing McDrai? You are not serious lol.

Atleast put Kasper or Edvinsson in the trade jfc.
 
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