Without another respectable goalie in place, MTL cannot trade Monty. The value is alright, but we decline. We have 2 straight years in the top 5, plus having Caufield, Suzuki, Dach in the pipeline already. We have to start winning

Flames decline

I agree and remember molson has to sell tickets as well and to shoot yourself in the foot by trading away the potential that monty represents in nets would be discouraging to the progress the rebuild is making. We could go right back to one of the worst teams again and for a pick that might lead to an nhler that is a tough sell to season ticket holders.. It wont happen. They might trade allen and re-sign monty and hope that primeau can be a decent backup. This is far more likely

Definitely. Plus, who knows, Monty might establish himself as a respectable starter for the next 7 years. If that is the case, I won't trade him for 14th OA and a cap dump.

I don't expect the Habs to make the playoffs or if by some miracle they do, to go deep. We are gonna draft our goalie of the future at 31 or 37 in this draft scenario, so let's sell high on Monty?

Any more info on why? I felt this was an overpay for the pick, so I am confused.

I see where you are coming from, but goalies take at least 5 years to develop. Without a goalie, we are bottom 5. MTL can't afford to be sh** for too long, it destroys the development of the players. We have Slaf, Zuki, Caufield, 5th OA, and even Dach who has at least 80-point potential. We have to cash in on that potential and to do that, we need to win, even if we don't make the playoffs. Like I said earlier, Monty might end up being an established goalie anyways.

goalies often take 5 years to develop any goalie you draft now wont be ready for when we want to make the playoffs so the you are forced to go to UFA goalies and that is often when terrible contracts are signed and the good ones want to go to USA anyway.

Flames are slowly falling apart. I would not be surprised at all if their 2025 is top 10, and the protection is only top 1 I believe. Plus you get a promising middle 6 prospect easily worth a 2nd. CGY could be shooting themselves in the foot if they have the opportunity to do this trade and not do it.

I am fairly sure if it's top 10 we get the 2026 pick

lemme check

So it looks like there are a couple of scenarios in which we can get 2nd OA.

This draft is stacked. I don't view Sean Farrell as even a better prospect than Zary (this is not a knock on Farrell but Zary was the highest scoring player in the AHL player 21 and under).

Whereas this draft I view as deep as 2015 and 2016. Could absolutely see players like Barzal, Connor, Chabot, McAvoy, Chychrun, etc still on the board by 16.

Slowly falling apart is an interesting term for a team that had absurdly bad luck.

IK Sutter left, but there were a lot of players that wanted a possible move. No offense, but Markstrom is not it anymore, and Wolf is still a couple of years away from being legit. I don't think CGY will need a rebuild, but they probably will need a retool soon. Usually, retool team draft once or twice in the top 10. If Huby can get back to 100 points, that will help, but I do think it will take him another 2 years to adapt completely.

Ill take my chances on Markstrom bouncing back just like Quick, Rinne, Lundqvist, Bobrovsky, Crawford, etc all did around that age.

I cannot speak for all the other Habs fans, but I am OK with Montreal trading Montembeault now (perhaps at his peak, perhaps he will further develop, who knows).

I am good with a tandem of Allen and Primeau if the Pittsburgh trade could work.

I just think that if Montreal is trying to build a perennial Cup contender they need high end talent (like Colorado, TB, Dallas etc) acquired in their build up years.

I think Montembeault can be replaced via a goalie drafted in the second round or free agency

Yes, one more year of bottom 10 in the overall standings would be tough for Suzuki and Caufield (because they are competitors) but it should be worth it in 3 to 6 years.

I disagree with an earlier post about Molson having to worry about improving the team to sell tickets. Montreal and Toronto are 2 unique teams that do not really need to worry about selling tickets, whether the team is at the top or bottom of the standings for a few years. I think the fan base is just too entrenched to see a real decline in attendance.

Also I would like to point out that you are once again betting on Florida failing in the next 2 years. the only way Montreal can get a top 10 pick from Calgary is if either of Florida's 2024 pick or 2025 pick are in the top 10. Otherwise Calgary does receive the Panthers 2025 1st round pick and Montreal gets the higher of the 2 picks unless the Flames is in the top 10, then they get the Panthers 2025 1st instead. So unless you see the Panthers falling off in the next 2 years (which I certainly dont) I think Calgary is pretty safe here

I would say one of Primeau, Dobes, or another Goalie like Monty who does not make it for one of the other 31 teams can fill that role, just as Monty will if a deal like this one does not get done.