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Created by: Victor24
Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 21, 2023
Published: Jun. 21, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$800,000
1$800,000
1$900,000
4$4,500,000
4$3,500,000
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. Samsonov, Ilya [RFA Rights]
TOR
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
2.
EDM
  1. 2023 3rd round pick (NJD)
  2. 2024 6th round pick (PIT)
3.
VAN
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (VGK)
4.
PIT
  1. Addison, Calen [RFA Rights]
MIN
  1. 2025 2nd round pick (PIT)
5.
PIT
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Granlund, Mikael ($1,500,000 retained)
6.
BOS
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (DAL)
7.
PIT
  1. 2023 5th round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Rutta, Jan ($600,000 retained)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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Logo of the PIT
2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$78,073,925$0$0$5,426,075
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$6,000,000$6,000,000
LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$6,100,000$6,100,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,125,000$5,125,000
RW, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$2,750,000$2,750,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$800,000$800,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$4,950,000$4,950,000
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$800,000$800,000
LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$863,333$863,333
C, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$3,125,000$3,125,000
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$6,100,000$6,100,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 5
$4,500,000$4,500,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$825,000$825,000
LD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$900,000$900,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$800,000$800,000
RD
UFA - 1

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Jun. 21, 2023 at 9:00 p.m.
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leafs accept if they end up getting a new goalie
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Jun. 21, 2023 at 9:58 p.m.
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Canucks would probably do Garland for Granlund retained
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Jun. 21, 2023 at 10:06 p.m.
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TOR, VAN, MIN, DAL, CAR all decline.
Jun. 21, 2023 at 10:26 p.m.
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no ones taking Granlund
Jun. 21, 2023 at 11:13 p.m.
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Quoting: BigShoots
Canucks would probably do Garland for Granlund retained


Quoting: yeah_rob
no ones taking Granlund


I'm getting mixed messages....awesome face
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Jun. 21, 2023 at 11:14 p.m.
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TOR, VAN, MIN, DAL, CAR all decline.


Really? Why?
Jun. 21, 2023 at 11:22 p.m.
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Quoting: Victor24
Really? Why?


Samsonov is a cost effective backup. No reason for a contender to trade him without an overpayment. Garland is a solid versatile winger. No idea why VAN wanted to trade him in the first place and he should get back at least two 2nds. Granlund is an overpaid 4th line PP specialist. If anyone offers to take him Dubas is a God. Carolina has no reason to add a veteran depth dman. They have plenty of capable young depth dmen or could sign Rutta equivalent on a 1 year cheaper deal.
Jun. 22, 2023 at 1:12 a.m.
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Quoting: Victor24
I'm getting mixed messages....awesome face


Retain enough and the fact Granlund plays center might appeal to Van
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Jun. 22, 2023 at 5:14 a.m.
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Samsonov is a cost effective backup. No reason for a contender to trade him without an overpayment. Garland is a solid versatile winger. No idea why VAN wanted to trade him in the first place and he should get back at least two 2nds. Granlund is an overpaid 4th line PP specialist. If anyone offers to take him Dubas is a God. Carolina has no reason to add a veteran depth dman. They have plenty of capable young depth dmen or could sign Rutta equivalent on a 1 year cheaper deal.


Samsonov is an RFA who is going to cost around 3-4MM per year. Tor can better use 4MM. Woll showed he could be a good backup next year with starter potential. A 2nd should get that deal done.

Garland is a solid defensive winger who brings little offense to the table. He has roughly the same offensive output as Granlund, is paid about the same amount of money, but has an extra year. If Granlund is an overpaid 4th liner (which I don't think he is) than Garland is most certainly not worth 2 2nds. I can bring up advanced stats to show their similarities if you'd like.

Carolina has an opening (or two) on defense and could use someone to fill that role. Rutta is fine enough at his job. For a 6th, and 2.1MM per, he is worth a chance. This is the only one that I may agree with you though.
Jun. 22, 2023 at 8:16 a.m.
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Samsonov is an RFA who is going to cost around 3-4MM per year. Tor can better use 4MM. Woll showed he could be a good backup next year with starter potential. A 2nd should get that deal done.

Garland is a solid defensive winger who brings little offense to the table. He has roughly the same offensive output as Granlund, is paid about the same amount of money, but has an extra year. If Granlund is an overpaid 4th liner (which I don't think he is) than Garland is most certainly not worth 2 2nds. I can bring up advanced stats to show their similarities if you'd like.

Carolina has an opening (or two) on defense and could use someone to fill that role. Rutta is fine enough at his job. For a 6th, and 2.1MM per, he is worth a chance. This is the only one that I may agree with you though.


I'd argue outside of a human element of Samsonov wanting to go play in PIT, there wouldn't be any reason for TOR to trade him to PIT. Especially without a proven alternative. I do agree a 2nd would be fair value from PIT.

Garland's 5v5 production has consistently been top 6 if not top line. Granlund hasn't had top 6 5v5 production since 2019. And his defensive numbers are below average as well. Outside of his playmaking, he offers very little value. Sullivan deployed him as a defensive specialist which is probably indicative of what he thought about acquiring him and how unfit he is for Sullivan's system. Absolutely brain dead for Hextall to bring him in on a 2nd without salary retention. Especially in an extremely deep draft where that 2nd is probably the equivalent of a late first in most drafts.

Carolina would just keep playing Chatfield at 3RD and save $2m/year with the same on ice performance. Maybe even better. And they still have a solid pipeline. Another brain dead Hextall decision of wasting money on replaceable depth.
Jun. 22, 2023 at 9:34 a.m.
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Really? Why?


Guessing the Wild could find someone offering a 2023 2nd instead of taking a pick 2 years from now.
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Jun. 22, 2023 at 11:23 a.m.
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Guessing the Wild could find someone offering a 2023 2nd instead of taking a pick 2 years from now.


That's fair
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Jun. 22, 2023 at 11:39 a.m.
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I'd argue outside of a human element of Samsonov wanting to go play in PIT, there wouldn't be any reason for TOR to trade him to PIT. Especially without a proven alternative. I do agree a 2nd would be fair value from PIT.

Garland's 5v5 production has consistently been top 6 if not top line. Granlund hasn't had top 6 5v5 production since 2019. And his defensive numbers are below average as well. Outside of his playmaking, he offers very little value. Sullivan deployed him as a defensive specialist which is probably indicative of what he thought about acquiring him and how unfit he is for Sullivan's system. Absolutely brain dead for Hextall to bring him in on a 2nd without salary retention. Especially in an extremely deep draft where that 2nd is probably the equivalent of a late first in most drafts.

Carolina would just keep playing Chatfield at 3RD and save $2m/year with the same on ice performance. Maybe even better. And they still have a solid pipeline. Another brain dead Hextall decision of wasting money on replaceable depth.


I agree with 90% of above. Granlund is a poor fit in Pit. As is Rutta. I think both would be better in another system. Granlund in the bigger west and Rutta in a more defensively focused team.

I have a little pushback against Garland as a top line or top 6 guy.
His numbers last year 5v5 and ranked against forwards with 500+ min:
Expected Goals: 9.8, 233rd
Points / 60: 1.76, 163rd
High-Danger Expected Goals: 1.8, 306th
Medium-danger Expected Goals: 2.21, 367th
Low-danger Expected Goals: 5.78, 25th
Corsi: 49%, 211th
On Ice Expected goals against/ 60: 2.58, 162nd

In 2022 his numbers were closer to top 6 but last year he took a big step back. That is probably why there is chatter about trading him. I like him as a 3rd liner because he draws penalties, has a ton of takeaways, and is defensively sound. He could also take a top 6 role temperarily.

That said, for 5MM a year he left a lot to be desired after last season.
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