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Wrong, wait and see.

Yeah, I'd love to see what "long term injury" the guy has. It must be true because Friedman said it! Ridiculous lmao

Jul. 23, 2023 at 7:53 p.m.

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Good post, agree with pretty much everything you wrote. It will be interesting to see how leafs handle Murray - have to think Tre & team had (& have) a plan. This is the most balanced Leaf team of The Marner / Matthews era, go Leafs go!

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Jul. 23, 2023 at 7:54 p.m.

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Ok Homer.

I'M the homer? I'm the one who wants him gone but won't treat the dude like a used rag

Get off Twitter

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Jul. 23, 2023 at 7:54 p.m.

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Good post, agree with pretty much everything you wrote. It will be interesting to see how leafs handle Murray - have to think Tre & team had (& have) a plan. This is the most balanced Leaf team of The Marner / Matthews era, go Leafs go!

Agree, I'm really liking the Klingberg add

Jul. 23, 2023 at 7:58 p.m.

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Quoting: draft_em_sign_em_trade_em

Wrong, wait and see.

Oh snap left him with the sick burn here.

Jul. 23, 2023 at 8:07 p.m.

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Wrong the Nhl wants to protect players from head injuries, christ they still have lawsuits from former players dealing from head injuries, the Nhl will not say "boo" concerning any players with concussions symptoms (or do you miss the fact that any player gets hit hard they automaticly go into a quiet room).

Every statement in here is true. Here are where you make leaps in logic to that meaning Murray can be on LTIR for the season:
* Murray may or may not have concussion symptoms right now
* The NHL sits out players until they are ready to come back, which you are claiming for Murray is prescribed to be exactly 1 NHL offseason+season or the rest of his career
* If Murray did have symptoms and get put on LTIR, you are assuming he just wants to hang it up and call it a career. If he is healthy, I'm sure he wants to play and fight for a min contract as a backup at age 29. And I'm sure the NHLPA would fight tooth and nail for him to be able to do that, because the Leafs cap problems shouldn't be the determining factor in whether or not he retires at his age.

It is possible that all of those things go in your favor. But I'd bet against all of those things falling into place. If the Leafs don't buy the dude out in the next couple of days, that option goes away, and then they are left with:
* Trade him in the offseason (may still happen, but this sounds expensive in terms of draft capital)
* Pray to all known dieties that he does not recover, at which point you'd need to re-activate him on the NHL roster and then trade him (play a game with a reduced roster, put a few roster players on waivers, and then pay for that suddenly even more expensive trade in-season)

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Jul. 23, 2023 at 8:13 p.m.

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Every statement in here is true. Here are where you make leaps in logic to that meaning Murray can be on LTIR for the season:
* Murray may or may not have concussion symptoms right now
* The NHL sits out players until they are ready to come back, which you are claiming for Murray is prescribed to be exactly 1 NHL offseason+season or the rest of his career
* If Murray did have symptoms and get put on LTIR, you are assuming he just wants to hang it up and call it a career. If he is healthy, I'm sure he wants to play and fight for a min contract as a backup at age 29. And I'm sure the NHLPA would fight tooth and nail for him to be able to do that, because the Leafs cap problems shouldn't be the determining factor in whether or not he retires at his age.

It is possible that all of those things go in your favor. But I'd bet against all of those things falling into place. If the Leafs don't buy the dude out in the next couple of days, that option goes away, and then they are left with:
* Trade him in the offseason (may still happen, but this sounds expensive in terms of draft capital)
* Pray to all known dieties that he does not recover, at which point you'd need to re-activate him on the NHL roster and then trade him (play a game with a reduced roster, put a few roster players on waivers, and then pay for that suddenly even more expensive trade in-season)

As I made another post thread, if by god Murray is healthy, no buyout or trade, you bury the contract and play the rotating LTIR game (which the Leafs did successfully during the Dubas era) with the questionable health of Bertuzzi.

Jul. 23, 2023 at 8:15 p.m.

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As I made another post thread, if by god Murray is healthy, no buyout or trade, you bury the contract and play the rotating LTIR game (which the Leafs did successfully during the Dubas era) with the questionable health or Bertuzzi.

Hahaha, now we've resorted to burying him. Our fanbase is so lost sometimes.

Jul. 23, 2023 at 8:16 p.m.

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By the way, unless I am mistaken what Friedman said (paraphrasing) was not "they can put Murray on LTIR for the year", but rather "the may not be able to buy him out because of injury". Again, Leafs fan better be hoping he is currently healthy enough to be bought out, because the alternatives seem much worse.

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Jul. 23, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.

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I'm surrounded by children.

Wow.

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Jul. 23, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.

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As I made another post thread, if by god Murray is healthy, no buyout or trade, you bury the contract and play the rotating LTIR game (which the Leafs did successfully during the Dubas era) with the questionable health of Bertuzzi.

If you bury him today, you are still 5.5m over the cap. You'd still be paying cap-dump prices, but for more valuable players. Why not just buy Murray out at that point? Unless you are worried about the 2m cap penalty next year, which is a fair concern.

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Jul. 23, 2023 at 8:24 p.m.

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If you bury him today, you are still 5.5m over the cap. You'd still be paying cap-dump prices, but for more valuable players. Why not just buy Murray out at that point? Unless you are worried about the 2m cap penalty next year, which is a fair concern.

That cap penalty is a concern, but not as big of a concern as how to get under the cap with Murray on the roster (or coming off of an LTIR stint). Then you are pretty much having to give away good players.

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Jul. 23, 2023 at 9:28 p.m.

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Hahaha, now we've resorted to burying him. Our fanbase is so lost sometimes.

Says who>? A big IF he is healthy.

Murray let me introduce you to a fellow team mate, his name is Jake Muzzin, he made the mistake of trying to come off the LTIR and continue his career.

But NO.... it's too hard for you to understand that it can and will happen.

Muzzin 2+ years on LTIR, were you arguing for him to not go to LTIR.

Jul. 23, 2023 at 9:34 p.m.

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Quoting: tupty

By the way, unless I am mistaken what Friedman said (paraphrasing) was not "they can put Murray on LTIR for the year", but rather "the may not be able to buy him out because of injury". Again, Leafs fan better be hoping he is currently healthy enough to be bought out, because the alternatives seem much worse.

Wrong Friedman quoted saying a deal may be in place for Murray to stay on LTIR for the year.

Think Kucherov: having surgery at the beginning of the season rather than during the summer and it which conviently wipes out his regular season but healthy and ready for the playoffs.

Jul. 23, 2023 at 9:44 p.m.

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Wrong Friedman quoted saying a deal may be in place for Murray to stay on LTIR for the year.

Think Kucherov: having surgery at the beginning of the season rather than during the summer and it which conviently wipes out his regular season but healthy and ready for the playoffs.

Brother you are LOST. Muzzin literally can't play. Hes tried, but he is physically unable to play. Or else he would be playing.
Keep buying into things Friedman says, like the rest of Leafs media. Murray is not long term inured,

Kucherov is ready for the playoffs, Murray won't touch the ice. Not because of injuries, but because he's not that good.

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Jul. 23, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.

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Brother you are LOST. Muzzin literally can't play. Hes tried, but he is physically unable to play. Or else he would be playing.
Keep buying into things Friedman says, like the rest of Leafs media. Murray is not long term inured,

Kucherov is ready for the playoffs, Murray won't touch the ice. Not because of injuries, but because he's not that good.

If he knows he's not good enough to play, maybe because he is dealing with injuries.

Thank you for proving my point.

Murray agrees to play the LTIR game collects his $8 millions and the Nhl won't investigate because if Murray claims concussion problems, the Nhl stays clear of that topic.

The guy returns from injury, gets kneed in the head and gets carried off the ice. Do you think Murray wants to continue this way of life. Like I said Muzzin can 100% tell Murray when you're this injury prone, it's not worth holding onto your career, hang up the skates.

Jul. 23, 2023 at 10:27 p.m.

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Wrong Friedman quoted saying a deal may be in place for Murray to stay on LTIR for the year.

Think Kucherov: having surgery at the beginning of the season rather than during the summer and it which conviently wipes out his regular season but healthy and ready for the playoffs.

This is the source: https://twitter.com/BladeOfSteelHky/status/1681458142784393216

I can understand your interpretation, but I think he is just speculating that they can just toss him on LTIR. I think he is not speculating about the concern that they cannot buy Murray out, but it sounds like his sources had not totally figured that out yet either.

This seems quite different from Kucherov, who actually needed surgery (his timeline still smells like BS, but I digress). A handshake agreement to not play for 8m for only this season is clear cap circumvention. Surgery would allow for LTIR for a full season, but we're talking about concussions here unless you think he needs ankle surgery. Retirement would allow for LTIR too. That is possible, but the Leafs can't coerce him into it, and most professional athletes that play at the highest level don't opt for early retirement, for better or worse (prime example: Ondrej Kase still won't retire).

I understand that there are paths for him to be on LTIR for the full season, and I understand that would be ideal for the Leafs' cap situation -- but can we at least agree that whether or not any of those come true, those are just hopeful speculation at this point?

Jul. 23, 2023 at 10:59 p.m.

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Quoting: tupty

This is the source: https://twitter.com/BladeOfSteelHky/status/1681458142784393216

I can understand your interpretation, but I think he is just speculating that they can just toss him on LTIR. I think he is not speculating about the concern that they cannot buy Murray out, but it sounds like his sources had not totally figured that out yet either.

This seems quite different from Kucherov, who actually needed surgery (his timeline still smells like BS, but I digress). A handshake agreement to not play for 8m for only this season is clear cap circumvention. Surgery would allow for LTIR for a full season, but we're talking about concussions here unless you think he needs ankle surgery. Retirement would allow for LTIR too. That is possible, but the Leafs can't coerce him into it, and most professional athletes that play at the highest level don't opt for early retirement, for better or worse (prime example: Ondrej Kase still won't retire).

I understand that there are paths for him to be on LTIR for the full season, and I understand that would be ideal for the Leafs' cap situation -- but can we at least agree that whether or not any of those come true, those are just hopeful speculation at this point?

The good and bad of concussions and head trauma and mental illness... it's impossible to disprove your level of Nhl fitness worthiness and the Nhl would not want the bad press for investigating any of those claims.

Murray can easily take a year off. If handed the option, LTIR for head or mental illness claim but get $8 million or say your fit to play and we give you $5.3 million to walk away and hope to find another job.

Murray takes the $8 million offer to go to Robidas Island.

Jul. 23, 2023 at 11:10 p.m.

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The good and bad of concussions and head trauma and mental illness... it's impossible to disprove your level of Nhl fitness worthiness and the Nhl would not want the bad press for investigating any of those claims.

Murray can easily take a year off. If handed the option, LTIR for head or mental illness claim but get $8 million or say your fit to play and we give you $5.3 million to walk away and hope to find another job.

Murray takes the $8 million offer to go to Robidas Island.

The fact that you are saying any of this literally makes me sick. Sad, sad stuff, man.

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Jul. 24, 2023 at 3:36 p.m.

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The fact that you are saying any of this literally makes me sick. Sad, sad stuff, man.

The fact that you don't think Trelving and the rest of the team management have not already sat down and spoke to Murray is sad sad stuff man.

IF Murray was 100% healthy, Trevling would have dealt with the situation by now. Only 2 reasons can be thought of why it's still dragging on, either Murray has used his NTC to stop him from being traded or he has health concerns, I'm sick of repeating myself to you children, and you can not buy out an injured player.

Jul. 24, 2023 at 3:38 p.m.

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The fact that you don't think Trelving and the rest of the team management have not already sat down and spoke to Murray is sad sad stuff man.

IF Murray was 100% healthy, Trevling would have dealt with the situation by now. Only 2 reasons can be thought of why it's still dragging on, either Murray has used his NTC to stop him from being traded or he has health concerns, I'm sick of repeating myself to you children, and you can not buy out an injured player.

You said some really messed up stuff about manipulating mental health and head injuries. Not sure how that makes the rest of us the children in this situation.

Jul. 24, 2023 at 3:41 p.m.

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You said some really messed up stuff about manipulating mental health and head injuries. Not sure how that makes the rest of us the children in this situation.

Never worked a Union job I see.

Jul. 24, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.

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Never worked a Union job I see.

THAT'S your response?!?!

Jul. 24, 2023 at 3:45 p.m.

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THAT'S your response?!?!

Your lack of understanding the real world is sad stuff.

Jul. 24, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.

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