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three way trade second try

Created by: pretzelcoatl
Team: 2023-24 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 3, 2023
Published: Aug. 3, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
NJD
  1. Ullmark, Linus ($2,500,000 retained)
  2. 2025 1st round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
Calgary retains, not Boston
BOS
2.
CGY
  1. Clarke, Graeme
  2. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (NJD)
  4. 2025 1st round pick (BOS)
Additional Details:
Calgary retains 50% of Ullmark's cap hit

If the conditions are met to send NJD's 1st to SJS, CGY instead receives the following picks:
2024 2nd (NJD)
2025 1st (NJD)
2025 1st (BOS)
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4.
NJD
    For the record I think this is too much for the Devils to give up for Ullmark
    BOS
    Buyouts
    Recapture Fees
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2024
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    2025
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    2026
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    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$83,500,000$81,224,167$422,500$2,175,000$2,275,833
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
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    $8,800,000$8,800,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 8
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    $7,250,000$7,250,000
    C
    UFA - 4
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    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
    RW, C
    RFA - 1
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    $7,875,000$7,875,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the New Jersey Devils
    $8,000,000$8,000,000
    C
    UFA - 7
    Logo of the New Jersey Devils
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
    RW, LW
    RFA - 2
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    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
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    $3,150,000$3,150,000
    C, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 3
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    $2,125,000$2,125,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 1
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    $863,333$863,333
    LW
    RFA - 1
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    $1,400,000$1,400,000
    C
    RFA - 1
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    $1,350,000$1,350,000
    RW
    UFA - 2
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    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LW, C
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New Jersey Devils
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    RW, C
    UFA - 2
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    LD
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the New Jersey Devils
    $9,000,000$9,000,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the Boston Bruins
    $2,500,000$2,500,000
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the New Jersey Devils
    $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$925,000$925K)
    LD/RD
    RFA - 2
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    $4,400,000$4,400,000
    RD
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the New Jersey Devils
    $3,400,000$3,400,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    Logo of the New Jersey Devils
    $1,050,000$1,050,000
    LD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the New Jersey Devils
    $1,850,000$1,850,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New Jersey Devils
    $1,100,000$1,100,000
    LD/RD, LW
    UFA - 1

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    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:16 p.m.
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    Calgary isn't retaining anything 🤣🤣🤣
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:17 p.m.
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    Quoting: Gmonwy
    Calgary isn't retaining anything 🤣🤣🤣


    Calgary is rebuilding in this scenario
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:18 p.m.
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    Replace Clarke with a good prospect. The Duchene trade is your closest comparable here
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:20 p.m.
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    Yeah, Calgary would have to decline here. New Jersey should add a little
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:20 p.m.
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Replace Clarke with a good prospect. The Duchene trade is your closest comparable here


    Again, it's not worth it for Ullmark. It would have to be the Bruins adding. The Duchene trade was also really, really bad for Ottawa
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    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:21 p.m.
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    Yeah, Calgary would have to decline here. New Jersey should add a little


    Ullmark just isn't worth that much. At that point it would be better to go for Hellebuyck. The Bruins should add if Calgary is unhappy with it, but this is two firsts and an NHL ready prospect
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    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:21 p.m.
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    You think you're giving up too much for Ullmark? If I'm understanding correctly, you're just swapping 1sts with Boston (which is probably an upgrade, if anything) and giving up a 3rd round pick for Ullmark at 50% retained for the next two years, and you think that's too much? Is Graeme really *that* good of a prospect?
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: hairyberry
    You think you're giving up too much for Ullmark? If I'm understanding correctly, you're just swapping 1sts with Boston (which is probably an upgrade, if anything) and giving up a 3rd round pick for Ullmark at 50% retained for the next two years, and you think that's too much?


    No, Boston's 1st is going to Calgary for Lindholm. It's a 1st, 3rd, and Clarke for Ullmark, which is a package that could conceivably return Hellebuyck.
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:25 p.m.
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Ullmark just isn't worth that much. At that point it would be better to go for Hellebuyck. The Bruins should add if Calgary is unhappy with it, but this is two firsts and an NHL ready prospect


    You want Calgary to retain 2,5m for 2 years. That cost something. It works if there is no retention. Clarke isn’t a really good prospect. Calgary would be looking more for 2 first and a A prospect for Lindholm
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    You want Calgary to retain 2,5m for 2 years. That cost something. It works if there is no retention. Clarke isn’t a really good prospect. Calgary would be looking more for 2 first and a A prospect for Lindholm


    Again, then the Bruins should add something. They're the ones getting Lindholm, and the Devils are already paying a lot for Ullmark here. If the Devils were to add any more they would be better off trying to get Hellebuyck.
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:40 p.m.
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Again, then the Bruins should add something. They're the ones getting Lindholm, and the Devils are already paying a lot for Ullmark here. If the Devils were to add any more they would be better off trying to get Hellebuyck.


    I agree Boston would have to add more, they're getting the best player in the deal.
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    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:41 p.m.
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    Panic TRADE ALERT. So Devils give up so much for Elias just to flip him HUH make no sense. Ullmark isnt gonna have a great season as he had last year, So its a risk im not willing to take. In the end no thanks keep Ullmark. Pro tip, instead of making a mess in trades in ACGM you should do it in the Trade machine instead of this terrible mess you made.
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:43 p.m.
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Again, then the Bruins should add something. They're the ones getting Lindholm, and the Devils are already paying a lot for Ullmark here. If the Devils were to add any more they would be better off trying to get Hellebuyck.


    They aren’´t paying a lot lol. They are paying a first, a ok prospect and a third for the Vezina winning goaltender at 50% retention. That isn’t a lot. Clark should be change to Casey and Boston add a third to make the deal fair
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: TyeZerker
    Panic TRADE ALERT. So Devils give up so much for Elias just to flip him HUH make no sense. Ullmark isnt gonna have a great season as he had last year, So its a risk im not willing to take. In the end no thanks keep Ullmark. Pro tip, instead of making a mess in trades in ACGM you should do it in the Trade machine instead of this terrible mess you made.


    Look I get it you don't want to trade for a goalie. I'm sorry if you're not following what's going on here but the Devils aren't paying for Lindholm
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    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:48 p.m.
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    They aren’´t paying a lot lol. They are paying a first, a ok prospect and a third for the Vezina winning goaltender at 50% retention. That isn’t a lot. Clark should be change to Casey and Boston add a third to make the deal fair


    Casey is not on the table for Ullmark. Goalies don't get the kinds of returns people on this site think they will.
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:53 p.m.
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Casey is not on the table for Ullmark. Goalies don't get the kinds of returns people on this site think they will.


    But Vezina winning goalies get more than a first, an ok prospect and a third… You want Ullmark, then you have to pay
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:56 p.m.
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    But Vezina winning goalies get more than a first, an ok prospect and a third… You want Ullmark, then you have to pay


    What did vezina goalie fleury go for?
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    Aug. 3, 2023 at 2:57 p.m.
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    Quoting: Shaun80
    What did vezina goalie fleury go for?


    How many dollars more did he have on his contract? How much older was he?
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.
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    But Vezina winning goalies get more than a first, an ok prospect and a third… You want Ullmark, then you have to pay


    The only goalie I can think of that got a return that big was Miller, and that trade is widely regarded as a huge mistake. Schneider got the 9th overall pick, but he was more consistently a top goalie than Ullmark.
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 3:02 p.m.
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    How many dollars more did he have on his contract? How much older was he?


    Show me a comparable trade that gets a 1st, 3rd and prospect.
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 3:10 p.m.
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    bruins decline. devils decline. flames fans wish they would get this much for any of their washed out "core"
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    Aug. 3, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    The only goalie I can think of that got a return that big was Miller, and that trade is widely regarded as a huge mistake. Schneider got the 9th overall pick, but he was more consistently a top goalie than Ullmark.


    Quoting: Shaun80
    Show me a comparable trade that gets a 1st, 3rd and prospect.


    Goalies are rarely traded so we don’t really know their value, but Boston won’t trade him for less than a good return. Brière is asking for 2 first for Hart, who is worse. What makes you think Ullmark gets less?
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 4:04 p.m.
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    Goalies are rarely traded so we don’t really know their value, but Boston won’t trade him for less than a good return. Brière is asking for 2 first for Hart, who is worse. What makes you think Ullmark gets less?


    I don't think Hart gets 2 firsts. Teams don't want to give up a lot of assets for a position that's so unpredicatabl.
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.
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    Quoting: Shaun80
    I don't think Hart gets 2 firsts. Teams don't want to give up a lot of assets for a position that's so unpredicatabl.


    Hart surely won’t get less since Brière said he will not trade him. If you want him, you have to pay his price. Same thing with Ullmark. You want him, pay for him
    Aug. 3, 2023 at 4:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: GuyGuyGuy
    Hart surely won’t get less since Brière said he will not trade him. If you want him, you have to pay his price. Same thing with Ullmark. You want him, pay for him


    These are completely incomparable scenarios. The Flyers are starting a rebuild, whereas the Bruins are at the end of their window and need cap space
     
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