re William Nylander series by Devsfan25

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Created by: Tintin

Team: 2023-24 New Jersey Devils

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 4, 2023

Published: Aug. 4, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

ome devs fans on capfriendly have been discussing the idea of trading for nylander. i was sceptical as to its viability so i projected the implications of such a trade out on the cap sheet below. the projections are based on this AGM series made by Devsfan25
as this is 'pegged' to the series made by Devsfan25 i port all the additional signings and contracts exactly the way Devsfan25 did in his agms, as well as the guys Devsfan25 suggest the Devils trade or walk away from.
briefly on the trade: nylander is a great player but Devsfan25 suggests the Devils trade way above comparable values for pending UFA 1st line wingers. Holtz + 1st + Palat is more in value than both the Debrincat trades, Fiala trade and Meier trade returned their respective teams
i don't like Devsfan25's idea (though i do not dislike this quite as much as i initially did) and wouldn't want the devils to do this. the cap is mostly fine, even when assuming 2/3 of all ELC performance bonuses hitting each year (which Devsfan25 didn't seem to take into account) it can be done
so the cap is probably gonna be mostly fine (at least short/mid-term). unfortunately devsfan25 suggested Luke Hughes take a bridge deal at 6m. once that is up in 2028 the Devils could be up against the cap depending on how well he and Nemec develops until then
what i really don't like is the devils betting this big on nylander vs. holtz. in 3 years i think the chances of Holtz being an outright better NHLer than Nylander are fairly good (like above 50%)
combined with giving up a potential future ELC in that pick i think the deal is made even worse. it makes the devils capabilities to contend for the cup beyond 27-28 a fair bit worse. i don't think the bet on nylander that Devsfan25 suggest devils should will be worth it in the long-run (and probably not in the medium-run either)

i should say that it makes 0 sense for the leafs to do this also, their window of contention is almost shutting down but moving Nylander out in this trade would kill any hope of this leafs core winning a cup in my opinion

Devsfan25's AGMs:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4490743
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/750841
https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/750842

Trades

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$80,418,199	$422,500	$1,382,500	$3,081,801

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW NMC UFA - 1	Hughes, Jack $8,000,000$8,000,000 C UFA - 7	Bratt, Jesper $7,875,000$7,875,000 RW, LW UFA - 8
Meier, Timo $8,800,000$8,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 8	Hischier, Nico $7,250,000$7,250,000 C UFA - 4	Mercer, Dawson $894,167$894,167 ($400,000$400K) RW, C RFA - 1
Clarke, Graeme $850,833$850,833 ($57,500$58K) RW, C RFA - 1	Haula, Erik $3,150,000$3,150,000 C, LW NTC UFA - 3	Toffoli, Tyler $2,125,000$2,125,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Foote, Nolan $863,333$863,333 LW RFA - 1	McLeod, Michael $1,400,000$1,400,000 C RFA - 1	Bastian, Nathan $1,350,000$1,350,000 RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Siegenthaler, Jonas $3,400,000$3,400,000 LD UFA - 5	Hamilton, Dougie $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 5	Vanecek, Vitek $3,400,000$3,400,000 G UFA - 2
Hughes, Luke $925,000$925,000 ($925,000$925K) LD/RD RFA - 2	Marino, John $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD UFA - 4	Källgren, Erik $775,000$775,000 G UFA - 1
Bahl, Kevin $1,050,000$1,050,000 LD RFA - 2	Miller, Colin $1,850,000$1,850,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Lazar, Curtis $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C UFA - 2
Nosek, Tomas $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW, C UFA - 1
Smith, Brendan $1,100,000$1,100,000 LD/RD, LW UFA - 1

Taxi Squad
Tierney, Chris $775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0) C UFA - 1
Thompson, Tyce $762,500$762,500 ($0$0$0$0) RW RFA - 1
Bowers, Shane $775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0) C RFA - 1
Halonen, Brian $925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0) LW, RW RFA - 1
Nemec, Simon $918,333$918,333 ($0$0$0$0) ($3,250,000$3M) RD RFA - 3
Hatakka, Santeri $850,833$850,833 ($0$0$0$0) ($57,500$58K) LD RFA - 1
Vilén, Topias $836,667$836,667 ($0$0$0$0) ($82,500$82K) LD RFA - 3
Schmid, Akira $850,833$850,833 ($0$0$0$0) ($57,500$58K) G RFA - 1
Daws, Nico $850,833$850,833 ($0$0$0$0) ($57,500$58K) G RFA - 1

Aug. 4, 2023 at 5:28 p.m.

#26

Tintin

Thread Starter

do not Devil my ass

Joined: Sep. 2020

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Edited Aug. 4, 2023 at 5:34 p.m.

Quoting: MitchJr

Aging core? Matthew’s, Marner & Nylander are 26-27 🤯. What a completely uniformed take 🤦🏻

If you read carefully you'll note that I said that the Leafs have one more real shot at a cup, the 23-24 season.
Assuming Treliving can keep the guys the band together, ahead of the the 24-25 season Matthews and Marner will be 27, Nylander 28, Rielly 30 and Tavares 34. That's kinda old.
Also, like I said before, Matthews and Marner will have gotten some serious raises by then and Marner due for another the year after further complicates the Leafs ever persistent struggle to find consistent depth scoring throughout their lineup.
And, again, as I said there are no current core players in the prospect pipeline that I can see. I like Knies a lot but he projects more like a complementary guy to the top 6 than anything else to me.

Latest research on the topic of aging in the NHL suggest that players on average peak at ages 23-25, is that informed enough for you?

Quoting: Ritzy

Window is almost shutting down, 1 year left for a shot at the cup, aging core.

Very interesting takes you have here.

See above, think it speaks to your point (don't mind the snark though it's not meant for you).

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Aug. 4, 2023 at 5:54 p.m.

#27

NHLfan10506

Joined: May 2019

Posts: 40,988

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Quoting: Devil

You’re right, a 21 year old with 50+ points and great defensively isn’t exciting

I'm excited

List of guys with 56 pts in D+3 seasons

Tim Stutzle
Dawson Mercer

Jack Hughes
Trevor Zegras

Andrei Svechnikov*

Elias Pettersson

Matthew Tkachuk
Auston Matthews
Pierre Luc Dubois
Alex DeBrincat

Connor McDavid
Mathew Barzal
Mitch Marner
Mikko Rantanen
Sebastian Aho
Jack Eichel
Kyle Connor

Leon Draisaitl
David Pastrnak
Nikolaj Ehlers
Viktor Arvidsson
William Nylander

Sean Monahan
Aleksander Barkov

Filip Forsberg

Gabriel Landeskog
Ondrej Palat
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins

Taylor Hall*

John Taveras
Evander Kane

Steven Stamkos

Patrick Kane

Nicklas Backstrom

Sidney Crosby
Paul Stastny
Anze Kopitar

Alex Ovechkin

* pro-rated for shortened seasons
Italics had 25-goal seasons

Aug. 4, 2023 at 6:00 p.m.

#28

MitchJr

Joined: Jan. 2023

Posts: 3,662

Likes: 1,230

Quoting: Tintin

The scoring leaderboard would beg to differ 😂. I see a lot of 26-30 year olds, so Leafs core is just hitting their prime. Leafs have lots of space to re-sign Matthews, Nylander & Marner - cap is going up & JT coming off the books when Marner re ups. When you finish top 5 for multiple years in row (& trade picks & prospects at deadline) which Debils are likely to do now for foreseeable future - prospect pool dries up. But Leafs have done better than most other top teams. And their core is far from ageing out - that remains a ridiculous and preposterous statement (someone’s thesis notwithstanding).
But no worries - everyone entitled to their opinion; I’ll wait for your trade proposal dumping Jack Hughes when he turns 26 (washed up 😂).

Aug. 4, 2023 at 10:06 p.m.

#29

Leafsfan98

Leafs going to Leafs

Joined: Dec. 2022

Posts: 10,161

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Replace Palat w Mariano/Sigenthaler and Leafs prob. accept

Aug. 4, 2023 at 10:14 p.m.

#30

Leafsfan98

Leafs going to Leafs

Joined: Dec. 2022

Posts: 10,161

Likes: 3,080

Quoting: NHLfan10506

Should have mentioned at least 56 points

Aug. 4, 2023 at 11:07 p.m.

#31

SomeonesOffended

FKA Bigtittielarper

Joined: Jun. 2020

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Likes: 2,231

Not taking palat

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