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Created by: Armstrongs_burner
Team: 2023-24 St. Louis Blues
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 4, 2023
Published: Aug. 5, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
STL
  1. Bolduc, Samuel
  2. Romanov, Alexander
  3. 2024 7th round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Krug, Torey ($3,000,000 retained)
  2. 2024 1st round pick (STL)
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
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Lou is senile and might say yes idk, krug isn't awful on the PP and might actually be able to help. I know eating 3 mil isn't ideal but its worth it to get rid of little man
2.
CGY
  1. Leddy, Nick
  2. 2024 7th round pick (NYI)
Retained Salary Transactions
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2024
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2025
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2026
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22$83,500,000$78,681,429$20,000$0$4,818,571
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$2,625,000$2,625,000
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UFA - 1
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UFA - 5
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
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UFA - 1
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$835,833$835,833
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UFA - 3
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UFA - 7
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 4
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$3,750,000$3,750,000
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UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
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UFA - 4
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$775,000$775,000
G
RFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
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RFA - 2
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$950,000$950,000
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UFA - 1
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$762,500$762,500
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Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:04 p.m.
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Calgary trade is absolutely horrendous
Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:06 p.m.
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Isles say no, will keep Romanov and Bolduc.
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Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:25 p.m.
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Quoting: Warrior24
Isles say no, will keep Romanov and Bolduc.


It would be a good trade for the isles . Krug at 3.5 mill and a 1st and a 2nd for a non playoff team would be hard to pass up
Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:28 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
It would be a good trade for the isles . Krug at 3.5 mill and a 1st and a 2nd for a non playoff team would be hard to pass up


Krug is 32 and will be in decline while Romanov and Bolduc are 23 and 22 and improving. Draft picks are not going to help the team for another 4-5 years if you hit a good player, while Romanov is a sure Top-4 and Bolduc is at worst will be a 3 LD and PP2 QB. This would be a bad trade now, and a terrible trade looking back in 4-5 years.
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Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:31 p.m.
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Quoting: Warrior24
Krug is 32 and will be in decline while Romanov and Bolduc are 23 and 22 and improving. Draft picks are not going to help the team for another 4-5 years if you hit a good player, while Romanov is a sure Top-4 and Bolduc is at worst will be a 3 LD and PP2 QB. This would be a bad trade now, and a terrible trade looking back in 4-5 years.


Krug is better than both Romanov and bolduc combined right now. He’s an above average puck moving 2nd pair D. At 3.5 mill there’s very little risk.
Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
Krug is better than both Romanov and bolduc combined right now. He’s an above average puck moving 2nd pair D. At 3.5 mill there’s very little risk.


It's such a bad trade, even Lou isn't that stupid.
Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:38 p.m.
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It's such a bad trade, even Lou isn't that stupid.


What makes it a bad trade? The isles are getting a 1st and a 2nd back along with the best player in the trade with retained salary.

There is no logic that supports this being a bad trade
Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
Krug is better than both Romanov and bolduc combined right now. He’s an above average puck moving 2nd pair D. At 3.5 mill there’s very little risk.


Romanov is already comparable to Krug. At even strength Krug had 18 points last year with an offensive start rate of 79%, while Romanov had 21 points despite only a 39% offensive start rate. Romanov is better defensively and already showing a good transition game. You do not like Romanov and look to trade him all the time but he is a legit 2nd pair D already and continuing to improve.
Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Nightowl26
It's such a bad trade, even Lou isn't that stupid.


yeah its a bad trade but if you look at the name of the roster you could probably get the idea that its not that serious. and yeah lou is that dumb, he's a dinosaur.
Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Db1899
What makes it a bad trade? The isles are getting a 1st and a 2nd back along with the best player in the trade with retained salary.

There is no logic that supports this being a bad trade


Logic is they are trading 2 young defensemen 23 and 22 - Romonov is a Top 4 guy for us who started off real rough but second half played much before before getting hurt. He's a physical defensemen who I think gets better. Boduc is 22 - 6'4 over 200 lbs. that has a real nice shot and is developing real nice as an offensive defenseman. You saw how he improved at Bridgeport last year before they brought him up. Too much upside for me to move him and love his size.

For a 32 yr old 5'9 guy with a injury issues and has 4 years remaining. The 1st rounder will be a mid to late rounder and the 2nd from Toronto will be a bottom 5 pick. We traded just a year ago the 13th for Romonov. Trade does not make sense.
Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:50 p.m.
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Quoting: Erbas1915
Calgary trade is absolutely horrendous


hey man we've seen worse, blues picked up Kevin hayes for a 6th rounder. yeah its probably a bad trade but dougs just diddling the D, not that deep brother
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Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:51 p.m.
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Quoting: Nightowl26
Logic is they are trading 2 young defensemen 23 and 22 - Romonov is a Top 4 guy for us who started off real rough but second half played much before before getting hurt. He's a physical defensemen who I think gets better. Boduc is 22 - 6'4 over 200 lbs. that has a real nice shot and is developing real nice as an offensive defenseman. You saw how he improved at Bridgeport last year before they brought him up. Too much upside for me to move him and love his size.

For a 32 yr old 5'9 guy with a injury issues and have 4 years remaining. The 1st rounder will be a mid to late rounder and the 2nd from Toronto will be a bottom 5 pick. We traded just a year ago the 13th for Romonov. Trade does not make sense.


I wanna see you find any good trades for krug, there are none, I'm just messing around while bored at work
Aug. 5, 2023 at 12:54 p.m.
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I wanna see you find any good trades for krug, there are none, I'm just messing around while bored at work


I don't see a good trade for Krug....St Louis will need to pay a team to take him and that contract off their hands.....Isles are not the ones, that's for sure.
He has 4 years left at 6.5M! .St.louis will need to give up a 1st and take nothing back in my opinion. Remember, not only is he 32, has 4 yrs at 6.5M left, but he has injury issues. NO ONE is taking him
Aug. 5, 2023 at 1:01 p.m.
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I don't see a good trade for Krug....St Louis will need to pay a team to take him and that contract off their hands.....Isles are not the ones, that's for sure.
He has 4 years left at 6.5M! .St.louis will need to give up a 1st and take nothing back in my opinion. Remember, not only is he 32, has 4 yrs at 6.5M left, but he has injury issues. NO ONE is taking him


yeah I know, but let us dream, I still stand by the fact that lou might accept that trade because he has rocks in his brain and is literally 80
Aug. 5, 2023 at 1:21 p.m.
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Quoting: Warrior24
Romanov is already comparable to Krug. At even strength Krug had 18 points last year with an offensive start rate of 79%, while Romanov had 21 points despite only a 39% offensive start rate. Romanov is better defensively and already showing a good transition game. You do not like Romanov and look to trade him all the time but he is a legit 2nd pair D already and continuing to improve.


Romanov is not comparable to krug. It’s disengenious to leave out that Romanov played 350 more min at 5v5 than Krugs.

Romanov is below average defensively at 5v5 and I don’t know where your coming up with him being good in transition because Romanov ranked as one of the worst transition D in the nhl last season.

I liked the Romanov trade when it happened but he’s better suited for a 3rd pair role. He doesn’t do anything at an above average level at 5v5 besides hitting people
Aug. 5, 2023 at 1:24 p.m.
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Logic is they are trading 2 young defensemen 23 and 22 - Romonov is a Top 4 guy for us who started off real rough but second half played much before before getting hurt. He's a physical defensemen who I think gets better. Boduc is 22 - 6'4 over 200 lbs. that has a real nice shot and is developing real nice as an offensive defenseman. You saw how he improved at Bridgeport last year before they brought him up. Too much upside for me to move him and love his size.

For a 32 yr old 5'9 guy with a injury issues and has 4 years remaining. The 1st rounder will be a mid to late rounder and the 2nd from Toronto will be a bottom 5 pick. We traded just a year ago the 13th for Romonov. Trade does not make sense.


Size does not equal impact.

Romanov is young but hasn’t shown he has the ability to be a top 4 D. I like him as a physical 3rd pair pk D but he doesn’t have the hockey IQ/skillset to be a top 4 guy.

The issue is a lot of fans on here love Romanovs work ethic/hitting and it clouds their judgement on the actual impact Romanov is providing
Aug. 5, 2023 at 1:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Warrior24
Krug is 32 and will be in decline while Romanov and Bolduc are 23 and 22 and improving. Draft picks are not going to help the team for another 4-5 years if you hit a good player, while Romanov is a sure Top-4 and Bolduc is at worst will be a 3 LD and PP2 QB. This would be a bad trade now, and a terrible trade looking back in 4-5 years.


Quoting: Warrior24
Romanov is already comparable to Krug. At even strength Krug had 18 points last year with an offensive start rate of 79%, while Romanov had 21 points despite only a 39% offensive start rate. Romanov is better defensively and already showing a good transition game. You do not like Romanov and look to trade him all the time but he is a legit 2nd pair D already and continuing to improve.


Quoting: Nightowl26
Logic is they are trading 2 young defensemen 23 and 22 - Romonov is a Top 4 guy for us who started off real rough but second half played much before before getting hurt. He's a physical defensemen who I think gets better. Boduc is 22 - 6'4 over 200 lbs. that has a real nice shot and is developing real nice as an offensive defenseman. You saw how he improved at Bridgeport last year before they brought him up. Too much upside for me to move him and love his size.

For a 32 yr old 5'9 guy with a injury issues and has 4 years remaining. The 1st rounder will be a mid to late rounder and the 2nd from Toronto will be a bottom 5 pick. We traded just a year ago the 13th for Romonov. Trade does not make sense.


What does Romanov do that makes him a top 4 D? He struggled the entire season at basic plays both offensively and defensively

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Aug. 5, 2023 at 1:49 p.m.
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Romanov is not comparable to krug. It’s disengenious to leave out that Romanov played 350 more min at 5v5 than Krugs.

Romanov is below average defensively at 5v5 and I don’t know where your coming up with him being good in transition because Romanov ranked as one of the worst transition D in the nhl last season.

I liked the Romanov trade when it happened but he’s better suited for a 3rd pair role. He doesn’t do anything at an above average level at 5v5 besides hitting people


It's not disingenuous to not have mentioned the minutes played at that would show that Romanov had to play tougher minutes than Krug as he is deployed in defensive situations at basically a 2x rate and still put up more points as even strength.
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Aug. 5, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.
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It's not disingenuous to not have mentioned the minutes played at that would show that Romanov had to play tougher minutes than Krug as he is deployed in defensive situations at basically a 2x rate and still put up more points as even strength.


Romanov didn’t play in ver tough situations. His deployment was about average. Zone starts don’t affect points either, that’s been proven for a long time.

Most of Krugs/Romanovs zone starts are on the fly anyways.
Aug. 5, 2023 at 1:55 p.m.
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Quoting: Warrior24
It's not disingenuous to not have mentioned the minutes played at that would show that Romanov had to play tougher minutes than Krug as he is deployed in defensive situations at basically a 2x rate and still put up more points as even strength.



70% of Romanovs shifts were on the fly. That is not tough deployment. Pelech on the other hand…

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Aug. 5, 2023 at 1:58 p.m.
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Romanov didn’t play in ver tough situations. His deployment was about average. Zone starts don’t affect points either, that’s been proven for a long time.

Most of Krugs/Romanovs zone starts are on the fly anyways.


Quoting: Warrior24
It's not disingenuous to not have mentioned the minutes played at that would show that Romanov had to play tougher minutes than Krug as he is deployed in defensive situations at basically a 2x rate and still put up more points as even strength.


This is regular season. Point still stands

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