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Is this value enough for Pasta

Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 15, 2023
Published: Aug. 15, 2023
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Hello! Please don't just trash this idea of Mtl trading for their biggest rival's best player.
I know it wouldn't happen. I just want to fantasize about this top line and see who thinks this is enough VALUE for Pasta.
Hypothetically speaking, if Bruins decide to go to full rebuild, and if Pasta wants to win and (i know, laughable but still) he sees opportunity with Mtl.
Trades
1.
MTL
  1. Pastrnak, David
  2. 2026 2nd round pick (BOS)
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Conditional: If Mtl makes it to 3rd round of the playoffs in 2024 or 2025, this 2d round pick goes BACK TO BOSTON
BOS
  1. Mesar, Filip
  2. Reinbacher, David
  3. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
  4. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
Additional Details:
2024 1st top 2 protected.
2.
MTL
ANA
  1. Dvorak, Christian
Additional Details:
Anywhere, for future considerations (this guy is overpaid but don't be silly, he still has value)
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2024
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2025
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2026
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25$83,500,000$83,046,666$1,170,000$4,210,000$453,334
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 8
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 7
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$11,250,000$11,250,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 8
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$2,900,000$2,900,000
C, LW
RFA - 4
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$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 3
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$1,985,000$1,985,000 (Performance Bonus$15,000$15K)
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
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RFA - 2
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$812,500$812,500
LW, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$1,925,000$1,925,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD/RD
RFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$275,000$275K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$828,333$828,333
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
G
UFA - 1

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Aug. 15, 2023 at 12:55 p.m.
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Pasta would probably cost Montreal a guy like Caufield or Slafkovsky
Aug. 15, 2023 at 1:14 p.m.
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Caufield, Dach, Barron, Beck, and a 1st would probably be closer in this fantasy trade.
Aug. 15, 2023 at 1:49 p.m.
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I follow the 3-2-1 style for this kind of trade. 3 firsts, 2 top prospects (Reinbacher and Roy), and 1 NHLer (Caufield or Dach) but if the NHLer is Slafkovsky, only 1 prospect
Aug. 15, 2023 at 1:57 p.m.
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Quoting: beantownboy17
I follow the 3-2-1 style for this kind of trade. 3 firsts, 2 top prospects (Reinbacher and Roy), and 1 NHLer (Caufield or Dach) but if the NHLer is Slafkovsky, only 1 prospect


Do you have any comparables in mind? I can't think the last time a trade of Pasta's value happened. Taylor Hall trade doesn't come close.
Joe Thornton? Erik Karlsson to SJ? Jack Eichel definitely wasn't 3-2-1. He was essentially 1 roster player, 1 prospect, 1 first & 1 second.
Personally if you compare your idea to Eichel, that's a landslide overpayment for Pasta.
Aug. 15, 2023 at 1:58 p.m.
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Caufield, Dach, Barron, Beck, and a 1st would probably be closer in this fantasy trade.


Go back to the Eichel trade to VGK and get back to me when you've reflected a bit plz
Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
Go back to the Eichel trade to VGK and get back to me when you've reflected a bit plz


You can’t possibly convince me that Eichel is better then Pastrnak
Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:11 p.m.
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You can’t possibly convince me that Eichel is better then Pastrnak


No Im not. Im saying trading Pasta would be comparable to trading Eichel.
But I think Pasta is the better player for sure.
Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:12 p.m.
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No Im not. Im saying trading Pasta would be comparable to trading Eichel.
But I think Pasta is the better player for sure.


Pasta is like a fringe top 5 player in the world and Eichel when was traded:

1. Wasn’t even top 10

2. Had a broken neck and still hadn’t gotten surgery because the Pegula’s being the brilliant owners they are wouldn’t let him get the one he wanted
Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:17 p.m.
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Pasta is like a fringe top 5 player in the world and Eichel when was traded:

1. Wasn’t even top 10

2. Had a broken neck and still hadn’t gotten surgery because the Pegula’s being the brilliant owners they are wouldn’t let him get the one he wanted


What are you getting at? You disagree that trade is comparable? What do you propose?
Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:18 p.m.
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unfortunately 60 goal scorer at only 26-yrs old, a great locker presence and personality doesn't get moved unless you're talking like a Ray Bourque get him a cup trade.
I think his value is considerably more than Eichel. He had a bad attitude towards management, and was under-performing on what was a bad contract (at his production in BUF)
You have a 26-yr old signed for 8-yrs who keeps getting better everyday, and his 200ft play is sometimes undervalued (thank you Bergy)
I think at minimum the value starts with a 3-2-1 type and certainly we remove the 2nd.
I think 3 1st rounders, this year top 3 protected, next 2 years unprotected.
Reinbacher, Slafkovksy, and probably Dach.
That's likely seen as an overpayment from MTL and i don't disagree, but it'll need to be something never seen before basically. Thinking along the lines of Lindros
Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:26 p.m.
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unfortunately 60 goal scorer at only 26-yrs old, a great locker presence and personality doesn't get moved unless you're talking like a Ray Bourque get him a cup trade.
I think his value is considerably more than Eichel. He had a bad attitude towards management, and was under-performing on what was a bad contract (at his production in BUF)
You have a 26-yr old signed for 8-yrs who keeps getting better everyday, and his 200ft play is sometimes undervalued (thank you Bergy)
I think at minimum the value starts with a 3-2-1 type and certainly we remove the 2nd.
I think 3 1st rounders, this year top 3 protected, next 2 years unprotected.
Reinbacher, Slafkovksy, and probably Dach.
That's likely seen as an overpayment from MTL and i don't disagree, but it'll need to be something never seen before basically. Thinking along the lines of Lindros


Ok I get it. Thanks for sharing. But you have to admit that if Boston were to wait out for that, they would never get it from any team. It's robbery and risky. Especially given today's NHL is not like the days of Lindros. Who, when he was traded, was seen as the next Lemieux. (and was also 19 years old, common)
If you think Eichel isn't a comparable ok.
Then lets look at Karlsson trade #1 to SJ. That was not a 3-2-1 trade. He was probably a top5 player in the league then too. Definitely top 10.
That year the Sens got 1 very good prospect, Joshua Norris, only 1 first round pick (Tim Stutzle) and two 2 round picks. Add ons were b and c-level prospects who didnt amount to much.

A 3-2-1 ask is huge, and I dont think many GMs would dare risk their careers on that
Aug. 15, 2023 at 2:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
Do you have any comparables in mind? I can't think the last time a trade of Pasta's value happened. Taylor Hall trade doesn't come close.
Joe Thornton? Erik Karlsson to SJ? Jack Eichel definitely wasn't 3-2-1. He was essentially 1 roster player, 1 prospect, 1 first & 1 second.
Personally if you compare your idea to Eichel, that's a landslide overpayment for Pasta.


There is no comp honestly. A top 3 goalscorer in the league signed to huge money for 8 years through his prime. The Tkachuk trade was the most recent but that was different because CGY had to trade him, he was going to walk for nothing. That trade was a 100 point player, a top pairing defenseman, a prospect, and a first. And Montreal has nothing to replicate that in terms of actual NHLers
Aug. 15, 2023 at 3:09 p.m.
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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
Ok I get it. Thanks for sharing. But you have to admit that if Boston were to wait out for that, they would never get it from any team. It's robbery and risky. Especially given today's NHL is not like the days of Lindros. Who, when he was traded, was seen as the next Lemieux. (and was also 19 years old, common)
If you think Eichel isn't a comparable ok.
Then lets look at Karlsson trade #1 to SJ. That was not a 3-2-1 trade. He was probably a top5 player in the league then too. Definitely top 10.
That year the Sens got 1 very good prospect, Joshua Norris, only 1 first round pick (Tim Stutzle) and two 2 round picks. Add ons were b and c-level prospects who didnt amount to much.

A 3-2-1 ask is huge, and I dont think many GMs would dare risk their careers on that


completely get your side of it. Hard to compare a 1-RHD to a 1RW as well so i'm not sure if i'd go that route, but again, certainly see why you'd think that.
Not to knock him at all, but that was when we has marketed as "finally healthy" and had big issues in locker room with Hoffman (not at all an excuse or saying he was undersold)
That broke down as
Tierney - 24yr old NHL'er coming off 40pt season, seen as plug and play middle 6'er.
Balcers - "NHL Ready 20-yr old" i think was projected like top 6 potential, but obviously fell well short
Norris - previous years #19 pick, and "best prospect in the Sharks system"
Demelo - kinda trash, but again 24yr old NHL d-man
#3 overall - (Stutzle)
#37 ovr - (Soogard)

Agreed on Lindros as well, was trying of something comparable, but there really hasn't been too much in modern day NHL, and until he hits at least 31-32yrs old, i don't see Pasta being moved for that reason. He's just too good, and too valuable to the Bruins to move without it being something unheard of and accelerating what would be Boston's rebuild.
Aug. 15, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.
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completely get your side of it. Hard to compare a 1-RHD to a 1RW as well so i'm not sure if i'd go that route, but again, certainly see why you'd think that.
Not to knock him at all, but that was when we has marketed as "finally healthy" and had big issues in locker room with Hoffman (not at all an excuse or saying he was undersold)
That broke down as
Tierney - 24yr old NHL'er coming off 40pt season, seen as plug and play middle 6'er.
Balcers - "NHL Ready 20-yr old" i think was projected like top 6 potential, but obviously fell well short
Norris - previous years #19 pick, and "best prospect in the Sharks system"
Demelo - kinda trash, but again 24yr old NHL d-man
#3 overall - (Stutzle)
#37 ovr - (Soogard)

Agreed on Lindros as well, was trying of something comparable, but there really hasn't been too much in modern day NHL, and until he hits at least 31-32yrs old, i don't see Pasta being moved for that reason. He's just too good, and too valuable to the Bruins to move without it being something unheard of and accelerating what would be Boston's rebuild.


Ya, at the end of the day, Pasta, who is probably a top3 winger in the NHL is just very hard to trade. That being said, with the Bergy/Krejci retirement and no real replacements as 1/2C, it sucks to think he'll probably not compete again until he's in his 30s.
If he were to ask for a trade, it would be dramatic.
Aug. 16, 2023 at 9:32 a.m.
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Quoting: Ste_Catherine_Street
Ya, at the end of the day, Pasta, who is probably a top3 winger in the NHL is just very hard to trade. That being said, with the Bergy/Krejci retirement and no real replacements as 1/2C, it sucks to think he'll probably not compete again until he's in his 30s.
If he were to ask for a trade, it would be dramatic.


yeah at the end of the day it's the cost of being a contender for over a decade and some VERY poor draft choices. Unfortunately "we made our bed now need to lie in it" saying couldn't be more true. Let's hope with the cap rising we can at least a big FA, or hope some of these B/C level prospects hit. Otherwise, we're in for a rude awakening
 
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