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Created by: FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Aug. 18, 2023

Published: Aug. 18, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

This trade helps both teams , Brodie and Tanev are same age and both shutdown defense so that is very similar. The retention on both sides helps both teams. Tanev is a bit more physical and right handed so we do not get worse , are under cap , and protect everyone including Jones. This will help CGY even more if they lose Hanifin because now they will still have 2 top RD and LD.

Trades

TOR

Tanev, Christopher ($2,250,000 retained)

CGY

Brodie, TJ
2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
2024 5th round pick (TOR)

Additional Details:

Brodie and Tanev 50 Retention paid to 3rd party team by 3rd and 5th pick from TML.

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$79,522,283	$0	$0	$3,977,717

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Bertuzzi, Tyler $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C NMC UFA - 1	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW NMC UFA - 1
Knies, Matthew $925,000$925,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 2	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW NMC UFA - 2
Domi, Max $3,000,000$3,000,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 1	Kämpf, David $2,400,000$2,400,000 C M-NTC UFA - 4	Järnkrok, Calle $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, C, LW M-NTC UFA - 3
Lafferty, Sam $1,150,000$1,150,000 RW, C, LW UFA - 1	Holmberg, Pontus $800,000$800,000 C, LW RFA - 2	Reaves, Ryan $1,350,000$1,350,000 RW UFA - 3
	Gambrell, Dylan $775,000$775,000 C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $7,500,000$7,500,000 LD NMC UFA - 7	Tanev, Christopher -$1,125,000-$1,125,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Samsonov, Ilya $3,550,000$3,550,000 G UFA - 1
McCabe, Jake $2,000,000$2,000,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 2	Klingberg, John $4,150,000$4,150,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Jones, Martin $875,000$875,000 G UFA - 1
Giordano, Mark $800,000$800,000 LD UFA - 1	Liljegren, Timothy $1,400,000$1,400,000 RD RFA - 1	Woll, Joseph $766,667$766,667 G RFA - 2
	Timmins, Conor $1,100,000$1,100,000 RD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1
		Murray, Matt $4,687,500$4,687,500 G M-NTC UFA - 1

Taxi Squad
Robertson, Nicholas $796,667$796,667 ($0$0$0$0) LW, RW RFA - 1

Aug. 18, 2023 at 8:40 p.m.

Kresco

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Flames Fans do not want Brodie back thank you. Yes Tanev is a bit injury riddled but is a hell of a lot better player than Brodie. Flames pass quite easily

Aug. 18, 2023 at 8:43 p.m.

FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

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Quoting: Kresco

Flames Fans do not want Brodie back thank you. Yes Tanev is a bit injury riddled but is a hell of a lot better player than Brodie. Flames pass quite easily

So it makes sense for you guys to have either 6.25 Weegar or 4m Anderson or 4.5 m Tanev on your 3rd pair?
This helps both teams clear cap space and have cheaper 3rd pairs. Maybe the the pick for retention on Tanev comes from our side because I agree Tanev is a bit better but not a ton like you say. With the retention it gives you Brodie at 2.5M and opens 2 m cap space for you.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 8:44 p.m.

SharkTank

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Flames are better off keeping Tanev.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 8:52 p.m.

Shaun80

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Quoting: Leafsmustwin

Weager and Andersson will most likely be the top pairing. Kylignton will replace Hanifan and play with Tanev.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 8:53 p.m.

FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

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Quoting: Shaun80

Weager and Andersson will most likely be the top pairing. Kylignton will replace Hanifan and play with Tanev.

Then you still have a 3.75 m defense on 3rd pair in Zadorov.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 8:54 p.m.

FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

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I adjusted the trade a bit so TML pay both retention to a 3rd party team.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 8:57 p.m.

Shaun80

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Quoting: Leafsmustwin

Then you still have a 3.75 m defense on 3rd pair in Zadorov.

So what? We had him there last season.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 8:58 p.m.

OldNYIfan

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I think that it's optimistic to believe that a third team will retain $4.75 million ($6 million in actual cash) for a third and a fifth. Retaining quite a bit less than that cost the Kings the equivalent of two seconds.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 8:59 p.m.

WN88

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This is probably the most zero-sum trade I’ve ever seen. Both incredibly similar players. Both play the right side (who cares about lefty-righty), and virtually changes nothing for either team.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 9:02 p.m.

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Ledge_And_Dairy

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How exactly does this make sense for both teams? Calgary doesn't have cap space

Aug. 18, 2023 at 9:07 p.m.

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Shaun80

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Curious what trade you're talking about.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 9:08 p.m.

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Bast

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Quoting: Kresco

Flames Fans do not want Brodie back thank you. Yes Tanev is a bit injury riddled but is a hell of a lot better player than Brodie. Flames pass quite easily

Tanev actually played more games than Brodie in each of the last 3 seasons.

I agree that the Flames pass. We can't take on the extra cap.

I personally really like Brodie, and if it was for someone like Z, or after Hanifin is traded for futures I would love to see Brodie back.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 9:13 p.m.

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FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

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Quoting: Bast

In the trade I had to write it because armchair gm doesn't work with 3rd party retention.
The whole point of this is you get Brodie at 2.5 M and we get Tanev at 2.25 to help both teams with cap.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 9:14 p.m.

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FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe

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Quoting: WN88

This is probably the most zero-sum trade I’ve ever seen. Both incredibly similar players. Both play the right side (who cares about lefty-righty), and virtually changes nothing for either team.

Please read they are both retained 50% which helps both teams as they are over cap. That is the main point plus it helps to have a right hand D , who ever said it makes no difference is wrong.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 9:16 p.m.

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

For how many years were the the other contracts ? Tanev is only 1 season and Brodie 2 seasons left? The amount of seasons being retained is a huge difference.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 9:18 p.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

How exactly does this make sense for both teams? Calgary doesn't have cap space

Both players are retained 50% salary by a 3rd party team , that was the whole point of trade to help both teams with cap on similar players.
The picks in the trade from TML pay for both retention to 3rd party team or teams.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 9:19 p.m.

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SomeonesOffended

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Definitely not

Aug. 18, 2023 at 9:24 p.m.

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Bast

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Quoting: Leafsmustwin

In the trade I had to write it because armchair gm doesn't work with 3rd party retention.
The whole point of this is you get Brodie at 2.5 M and we get Tanev at 2.25 to help both teams with cap.

If it's a 1 for 1 then still it doesn't make sense because Tanev is the better D! He has chemistry with anyone he's paired with. He's also especially good playing with younger D. I wouldn't trade him, unless I was sure he was gone at the end of the year, and in that case I would rather get younger assets like Liljegren.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 9:56 p.m.

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OldNYIfan

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Quoting: Shaun80

Curious what trade you're talking about.

The deal by which Los Angeles dumped Cal Petersen's $5 million cap hit while retaining $2,025,000 on Ivan Provorov and gave up Sean Walker, Helge Grans and a second-round draft pick. The two AHL stiffs LA acquired aren't the equivalent of either Walker or Grans.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 10:22 p.m.

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Los Angeles dumped twice as much salary as this guy's suggesting, not significantly less.

Aug. 18, 2023 at 11:15 p.m.

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OldNYIfan

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Quoting: Shaun80

Los Angeles dumped twice as much salary as this guy's suggesting, not significantly less.

Wrong. Just check 30% of Provorov's salary for the two seasons.

Aug. 28, 2023 at 1:33 p.m.

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Bast

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10 days later, yep it still doesn't make sense for CGY. Tanev is the better fit.

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