SalarySwishSalarySwish
Avatar

Bast

First round bust
Member Since
May 24, 2023
Favourite Team
Calgary Flames
2nd Favourite Team
Carolina Hurricanes
Forum Posts
808
Posts per Day
2.4
Forum: Armchair-GM21 hours ago
Thread: Trade Up At Draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Just_A_Guess</b></div><div>Iginla is why I targeted the CGY pick. We could take Iginla with our pick but there's no way he gets past CGY if he's still there at 9. We already get a 1st from CGY to use sometime in the next couple years so I was looking at the WPG pick + the '25 CGY/FLA pick + some younger prospect talent. Maybe even a secondary move where we acquire/trade up for a better pick than the WPG pick and flip to CGY for 9OA leaving us with the potential of drafting Lindstrom &amp; Iginla this year.

I know it's unlikely and would be a high cost to make such a move but MTL has some quality options (like those listed above) who will likely make an NHL impact at some point in their careers. 20 spots is a huge jump which is why I was crowdsourcing for input. KH loves creative trades to get the pieces he wants so if it takes another trade up scenario to get a 1st closer to what CGY would want that would be reasonable. Was looking at the VGK &amp; MIN cap crunches for next year and trying to figure out if there were potential to include them somehow but wanted to start here for info.</div></div>

I'm pretty sure the pitchforks will be out in CGY if Iginla is available and CGY trades down.

I also think that Iginla will go 6th/7th based on his recent success, and him being from a hockey family.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 3:24 a.m.
Thread: Markstrom
I think that those trades are a pipe dream. Even with a 50% retention.

Markstrom's numbers this year are not an indicator of his play. IMO, he was a top 5 goalie this season. That said, a team might have given up those assets if they would've gotten 3 playoff runs out of Markstrom @ $3M, in a market where there was a lot of demand and zero supply.

However, now we're talking about potentially one good run, which isn't worth the gamble. The injuries this year, and the inconsistency from one season to another all make him a risky acquisition.

The Flames were negotiating from a position of strength at the deadline, and they still don't have to move Markstrom, but I don't see the demand being high enough to justify those prices.

At this point, I think he brings back a mid-first(15-20) with retention.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 7:59 a.m.
Thread: Back at it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>deez</b></div><div>
Trade Vladar to open a spot for Wolf. Return and destination is not important.
</div></div>
I think it's more likely that Markstrom moves at this point. I doubt any team takes a risk on Vladar without retention.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>deez</b></div><div>
Trade Mang to open a spot for another player. If you think he is worth more than a third pretend it was a second cause if I had the return as a second someone would be crying that he isnt worth that much at his cap hit.</div></div>
I agree with you here, he needs a change of scenery, and I'd rather have someone else on the Backlund line for the entire season. The development time in the NHL for a player like Coronato or Pelletier on the Backlund line could be worth more than the difference between a 2nd and a 3rd.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>deez</b></div><div>
Hague is big physical defender that could be a good player for the Flames for a long time still. Maybe Conroy values that more than our supposed top prospect after an underwhelming first pro season. Not to write him off, you are getting a proven NHL player in return that doesnt come free. Vegas has crowded blueline and needs money out. Maybe it doesnt take Coronato but the point is to acquire Hague. </div></div>
I don't think we should have Coronato in any trade rumors at this point. The Flames are likely to add a top 4D, but I think they will be looking for a more defensive D-men at the tail end of his career(Martinez, Brodie, Forbort), or someone they can take with a sweetener (like Orlov, or Schmidt). On the same note I doubt that Tanev comes back here(which I would love), because he said he wants to compete for the cup.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>deez</b></div><div>
Notice Hanley was traded for a 7th round pick. The point is get rid of him to open space. Waivers, whatever. </div></div>
Yeah, that makes sense, but I think it will probably happen at the conclusion of all the training camp battles. Hanley is fine as the 7th D. That said, I would prefer to lose him than Solovyov on waivers.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>deez</b></div><div>
Stephenson could value playing close to home, choosing a retooling Flames team. If the contract is off slightly whatever, it is more about the player. </div></div>

Stephenson does seem like the sort of player the Flames like to target. I think you're slightly low on his cap hit. The projections I've seen so far are in the $5.5-5.75M × 5 range, but that's very plaussible. Conroy said that he would be looking to sign UFAs for 2-3 year contracts. He outlined someone for Huberdeau to play with in his season end interviews. I think that likely means Duclair, Arvidsson, or Duchene on a 2-3 year contract. I also think that the Flames will likely trade one of Kuzmenko and Sharangovich, so that player would take that spot.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>deez</b></div><div>
Beauvillier has been playing bottom 6 for awhile. This is about adding a vet to the bottom 6 at a reasonable cap hit.

Back to you Craig.</div></div>

As for adding bottom 6 players, that seems a little counterproductive, as our bottom 6 is mostly full. If you want, you could bring Greer back. That said, I prefer to give Pelletier, Coronato, Schwindt, Morton, Duehr, and Klapka the opportunity to fight for a spot in training camp.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 9:51 a.m.
Thread: Retooling
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>1. Possible
2. Possible
3. Remove the retention and Calgary considers it
4. Hard no. Vladar easily fetches more than that.
5. Possible without retention but it'll take more for retention. More likely Calgary waits until near the deadline unless they get a very good offer.
6. A late 1st and 2 unwanted players isn't getting Sharky. Find another team to take your rejects.</div></div>

We view things a bit differently.
1.2. I don't think any team picks up Rooney or Hunt unless they hit waivers.
3. Markstrom doesn't have that much value without retention.
4. I don't think anyone takes a chance on Vladar without retention.
5. That's what I see Mang going for.
6. I'm not familiar with MTL's prospects enough, but it seems a bit light.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 9:35 a.m.
Thread: Realistic offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Its right there:

<em><strong>"Separate sources confirmed Devils would send Holtz back with $2- $3 million of Markstrom’s of cap hit retained." </strong></em>

If you can find someplace that says something differently and I'll be open to changing my view.

But everything I have read suggests (and I think I read almost everything on this subject) that it was boiled down to Holtz for Markstrom with about $2 million retained.

There were likely other scenarios discussed at three different points:

1. A larger Hanifin + Markstrom package (some speculation before Feb, and then later when Hanifin 'list' was reported)
2. A Markstrom deal that included sending Vanecek back to Calgary (Flames didn't want him, NJD would have had to add a pick)...was likely that last iteration before agreed upon trade.
3. A Markstrom package that did not include retention (that was discussed very late in process...and have never seen specifics).

But as far as I know, everything I have read suggests that the trade in early February that Conroy accepted, and which prompted him to ask for and receive Markstrom's NTC waiver was: Markstrom (with ~$2 million retained) for Holtz.

Early on, I was pointed towards "Calgary Puck" by some Flames fans. They had suggested that there were a handful of 'insiders' that knew the real scoop on what was going on ("Sec214", "Dissentower", "Rastamasta"). At first, it was believable enough that I posted <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4895856">this ACGM</a> on Feb 16th. As it turns out, these 'insiders' turned out to be very, very wrong (or outright frauds/liars). And they slipped a couple of times in 'their story'...usually a red flag. I learned a lesson here and try to be as precise and accurate as I can. So if you have seen anything reliable that differs from my characterization of the events, please let me know.</div></div>

Regarding your first point. You stated it as a fact, saying: "the trade was...". All I'm saying is that the insiders painted only a partial picture, and that's still a rumor, not a fact.

As for CP, I'm not buying what Sec, or dissentower are selling either, but it was fun leading up to the deadline. Rasta is definitely an insider, and there were multiple times he had information that insiders get wrong(like the Backlund extension being 2 x 4.5).

I don't have a source to dispute your speculation, but it's still speculation, that's all I'm saying.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 8:43 a.m.
Thread: Realistic offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>It was Holtz for Markstrom (~$2 million retained).

It was reported in days that followed by a number of sources. <a href="https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/32-thoughts-a-note-on-every-team-to-open-trade-deadline-week/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Elliotte Friedman</a>, after he said the two teams had agreed on a trade, claimed the offer was Alexander Holtz, not Dawson Mercer. <a href="https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagnotta/saros-available-markstrom-chatter-guentzel-talk-pettersson-contract-more" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">David Pagnotta</a>: <em>"Separate sources confirmed the Devils would send forward Alexander Holtz back in a trade with between $2 million and $3 million of Markstrom’s of annual cap hit retained."</em> <a href="https://www.thefourthperiod.com/mar-2024/flames-telling-teams-markstrom-will-stay" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Another</a>: "Calgary and New Jersey had agreed to a deal that would have sent Markstrom to the Devils in a package that included young forward Alexander Holtz. The Flames were set to retain around $2 million to $3 million of Markstrom’s annual cap hit."

Markstrom waived for NJ, as reported by <a href="https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/calgary-flames/news/calgary-flames-goaltender-jacob-markstrom-reportedly-agreed-to-waive-nmc-for-deal-with-devils" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Steve MacFarland of Hockey News</a>, <a href="https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/did-flames-ownership-nix-jacob-markstrom-trade" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Wes Giberton of Calgary Herald</a> and many others. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrEhknOfKrs&amp;t=932s" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Frank Seravalli</a> said, "The Devils and Flames were pretty far down the track on the Markstrom deal. It did get to his level to approve it, I think there were no issues there, and I think somehow, somewhere along the way, that trade was scuttled. Don’t know how, don’t know why, but they were pretty close to nailing it down. You would’ve seen Jacob Markstrom become a New Jersey Devil I think at some point last week."

Markstrom blocked a trade to Los Angeles, according to <a href="https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/why-nick-robertsons-ill-advised-comments-come-at-the-wrong-time-for-the-maple-leafs/article_9a18cf7c-de91-11ee-b3d5-ff27332a98dd.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Nick Kypreos</a>: "Interesting to see that both Jacob Markstrom and Linus Ullmark wouldn’t waive no-trade clauses to join the Los Angeles Kings for their playoff drive. With Markstrom having no interest in being on the West Coast"

Since Trade news broke, Markstrom's play has declined

Before trade news broke...32 games, 2.54 GAA, 0.915 SV%
After news, before TDL........9 games, 2.84 GAA, 0.903 SV%
After Trade Deadline............8 games, 3.55 GAA, 0.870 SV%</div></div>

The first quote doesn't specify that the trade was 1 for 1. Just that Holtz was a main piece in it. Note how it says "a package that included...". You interpret it to be 1 for 1.

I remember that Markstrom waived for NJ, however you said he didn't waive it for other teams, plural. Implying that Markstrom only wants to play in NJ.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 7:16 a.m.
Thread: Realistic offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div><strong>Holtz for Markstrom ($2m retained) was the trade Conroy agreed to in February.
</strong>
Since then, Markstrom waived his NTC to New Jersey, but not for other teams. Played on sub-0.900 hockey. And seen another season pass.

So why are Bahl+1st added? If anything, Calgary should be adding.</div></div>

You state speculation as a fact with the first sentence.

As far as we know, Markstrom wasn't asked to waive for other teams, so it's deceptive at best.

Markstrom has been pretty great on the season as a whole. If you want to value him as a .900 goalie, despite the D miscues infront of him, that's fine. That said, the Flames won't trade him for that value, as he's worth a lot more to the Flames, and there's no rush to make a trade.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 4:21 a.m.
Thread: Realistic offseason
Hehe, this doesn't seem all that realistic to me.

The Flames are rebuilding/retooling, Marner on a 1 year contract doesn't help with that. Especially if you consider that MTL will get the CGY pick next year, unless it's in the top 10, in which case MTL will get the FLA pick.

Markstrom, and Harris trades favor the Flames quite a bit.

I could see OTT being interested in Coleman, but Coleman has a NTC, so it's up to him.

---

I can see Markstrom + picks used to move up in the draft.

2 of Mangiapane, Kuzmenko, and Sharangovich traded before the start of the season.

A top 4 D brought in on a 1-3 year contract. Top candidates: Orlov, Schmidt, Martinez, Brodie.

A forward brought in a last ditch effort to revamp Huberdeau on a 3 year contract. Top candidates: Duclair, Duchene, Arvidsson.