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Remove some of the bonehead mistakes TML made

Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 22, 2023
Published: Aug. 22, 2023
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Not a real team or trades just trying to see how bad they really screwed up wasting draft picks and wrong waivers and bad signings.
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,500,000
Trades
1.
TOR
NYI
  1. Tavares, John
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As if he never came here.
2.
CAR
  1. Reaves, Ryan
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CAR got Jarvis from our 1st pick we gave away with Marleau cap dump
3.
WSH
  1. Cowan, Easton
  2. Gambrell, Dylan
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You can have back what we got from your 1st pick and a little extra
4.
SEA
  1. Nylander, William
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We lost McCann by not protecting him to SEA draft and we protected 2M Justin Holl instead! We would not have had room for Nylander with this team.
5.
OTT
  1. Brodie, TJ
  2. Klingberg, John
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If we had room this should have been the player we got instead of OTT signing him.
6.
DAL
  1. Lafferty, Sam
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We gave him away for nothing, I agree his cap is a bit high but he offers a tough side plus half decent points.
7.
CGY
  1. Timmins, Conor
  2. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (NYI)
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Just had to add 1 really good top pair defense we could have had.
8.
TBL
  1. Hirvonen, Roni
  2. 2025 3rd round pick (TOR)
  3. 2026 1st round pick (TOR)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$82,765,751$0$500,000$734,249
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Seattle Kraken
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RW
RFA - 1
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$2,665,000$2,665,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$800,000$800,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,550,000$3,550,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Ottawa Senators
$4,600,000$4,600,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$875,000$875,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$1,400,000$1,400,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:00 p.m.
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I've hated Keefe for his coaching decisions as well. Putting players like Lily and Sandin in the doghouse and electing to play Justin Holl in the playoffs despite getting run over the first few games.

That McCann move annoyed the hell out of me.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:02 p.m.
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Quoting: dougford
I've hated Keefe for his coaching decisions as well. Putting players like Lily and Sandin in the doghouse and electing to play Justin Holl in the playoffs despite getting run over the first few games.

That McCann move annoyed the hell out of me.

The thing that bothers me is every fan , every analyst , all knew it should be Holl yet they chose McCann? Plus we lost Sandin because of poor management.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsmustwin
The thing that bothers me is every fan , every analyst , all knew it should be Holl yet they chose McCann? Plus we lost Sandin because of poor management.


I was hoping they would take Kerfoot instead.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:05 p.m.
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it's always funny when people blame the marleau trade for losing out on jarvis and not the marleau signing. Lol at Jeanott too, imagine wishing the leafs gave up a bunch of futures for that plug, or some sort of magical "we coulda got chychrun!" oh yeah? how do they get him? How did Brodie prevent it? how the hell did klingberg prevent it when he wasnt even signed yet when the trade happened? same with weegar. like, you cant just say "we could have gotten this player" and throw a bunch of stuff in a trade for him. And why wouldnt the leafs have room for Nylander with McCann? they simply wouldnt have signed much worse players like Bertuzzi or Domi if they had McCann.
Just comedic reasoning here
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Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:06 p.m.
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I just feel Holl would have made more sense then forcing TML to play Liljegren who is better then Holl and try out Timmins to see what he really is. I think Timmins could be a solid player with a defensive partner.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:07 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
it's always funny when people blame the marleau trade for losing out on jarvis and not the marleau signing. Lol at Jeanott too, imagine wishing the leafs gave up a bunch of futures for that plug, or some sort of magical "we coulda got chychrun!" oh yeah? how do they get him? How did Brodie prevent it? how the hell did klingberg prevent it when he wasnt even signed yet when the trade happened? same with weegar. like, you cant just say "we could have gotten this player" and throw a bunch of stuff in a trade for him. And why wouldnt the leafs have room for Nylander with McCann? they simply wouldnt have signed much worse players like Bertuzzi or Domi if they had McCann.
Just comedic reasoning here


I think the reasoning is these players were on the market and we could have targeted them. Try being a bit nicer?
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:10 p.m.
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I think the reasoning is these players were on the market and we could have targeted them. Try being a bit nicer?


No, the reasoning is very clear, and it's bad. Maybe try and reading my comments with a cheerier voice in your head if it bugs you that much.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:10 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
it's always funny when people blame the marleau trade for losing out on jarvis and not the marleau signing. Lol at Jeanott too, imagine wishing the leafs gave up a bunch of futures for that plug, or some sort of magical "we coulda got chychrun!" oh yeah? how do they get him? How did Brodie prevent it? how the hell did klingberg prevent it when he wasnt even signed yet when the trade happened? same with weegar. like, you cant just say "we could have gotten this player" and throw a bunch of stuff in a trade for him. And why wouldnt the leafs have room for Nylander with McCann? they simply wouldnt have signed much worse players like Bertuzzi or Domi if they had McCann.
Just comedic reasoning here

The trades and who is there has nothing to do with anything. I was just ejecting what was needed and adding back all the mistake we made . The additions like Chycrun and Weegar and Tatar are just to fill room but the real thread is showing how much we gave away for nothing. It is a completely unrealistic thread just showing a possible what if that would be wayyyyy better then where we are .If you don't liek it kick rocks kid.
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Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:10 p.m.
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That wouldn't have gotten Weegar, and Ottawa traded a 1st and 2 2nds for Chychurn, they didn't sign him
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:11 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
No, the reasoning is very clear, and it's bad. Maybe try and reading my comments with a cheerier voice in your head if it bugs you that much.


Yikes.. somebody is a bit grumpy today. Don't know who gives our fanbase a worse rep, you or RipNasty.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsmustwin
The trades and who is there has nothing to do with anything. I was just ejecting what was needed and adding back all the mistake we made . The additions like Chycrun and Weegar and Tatar are just to fill room but the real thread is showing how much we gave away for nothing. It is a completely unrealistic thread just showing a possible what if that would be wayyyyy better then where we are .If you don't liek it kick rocks kid.


Don't bother. Reasonable Toronto fans don't really pay much mind to Jared as he's usually just always bitter and quick to insult when he doesn't agree with you. Notice how he doesn't post any ACGM's himself?
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:14 p.m.
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That wouldn't have gotten Weegar, and Ottawa traded a 1st and 2 2nds for Chychurn, they didn't sign him


As stated above completely hypothetical trades. Not 1 is or is supposed to be realistic. This is about the players TO let walk or gave away or did not protect . The extra additions were just to fill team. Sorry bout Chycrun mistake , I meant we would have had more avaialable to trade for him , not sign my bad.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsmustwin
The trades and who is there has nothing to do with anything. I was just ejecting what was needed and adding back all the mistake we made . The additions like Chycrun and Weegar and Tatar are just to fill room but the real thread is showing how much we gave away for nothing. It is a completely unrealistic thread just showing a possible what if that would be wayyyyy better then where we are .If you don't liek it kick rocks kid.


that's a long way to go to say that if your unrealistic fantasy was fulfilled the leafs would be better. Just adding a bunch of guys while hand waving any actual realistic way that they could have been added doesnt show anything except that if you wished really hard the leafs would be better with different moves.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.
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Quoting: dougford
Yikes.. somebody is a bit grumpy today. Don't know who gives our fanbase a worse rep, you or RipNasty.


dont worry, im sure sucking up to other fan bases will make them love leafs fans so much more the longer you do it
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:16 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
dont worry, im sure sucking up to other fan bases will make them love leafs fans so much more the longer you do it


I just enjoy having level-headed interactions and hockey discussions instead of quick jumping to insults and snarky remarks when somebody doesn't agree with my opinion. You should try it!
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.
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Ottawa never signed Chychrun.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.
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Quoting: dougford
Don't bother. Reasonable Toronto fans don't really pay much mind to Jared as he's usually just always bitter and quick to insult when he doesn't agree with you. Notice how he doesn't post any ACGM's himself?


it's always funny when people pretend you need to post your own agms to comment on others.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:18 p.m.
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I just enjoy having level-headed interactions and hockey discussions instead of quick jumping to insults and snarky remarks when somebody doesn't agree with my opinion. You should try it!


you havent once tried to engage me in a level headed way. You just said i need to be nicer and then told op not to pay attention to me. Maybe you shouldnt try being so passive agressive with someone who doesnt agree with your opinions
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:19 p.m.
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I just enjoy having level-headed interactions and hockey discussions instead of quick jumping to insults and snarky remarks when somebody doesn't agree with my opinion. You should try it!


Especially when I stated in title and above in thread this not a realistic trade or team , just highlighting some of the really bad moves or decisions TML have made in last few years. And how much better a possible team could be right now .
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:20 p.m.
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Especially when I stated in title and above in thread this not a realistic trade or team , just highlighting some of the really bad moves or decisions TML have made in last few years. And how much better a possible team could be right now .


He's kind of known as one of the Leaf fan court jesters.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:20 p.m.
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you havent once tried to engage me in a level headed way. You just said i need to be nicer and then told op not to pay attention to me. Maybe you shouldnt try being so passive agressive with someone who doesnt agree with your opinions


Correct
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsmustwin
Especially when I stated in title and above in thread this not a realistic trade or team , just highlighting some of the really bad moves or decisions TML have made in last few years. And how much better a possible team could be right now .


except you arnt showing that at all, you are showing some things you think are bad and then using the magic of imagination to make the team better to try and prove your point. If you were trying to do what you are saying you did, there would be more actual work put into making the team realistically better. You might as well haves aid the leafs could have traded for Makar and McDavid if they didnt do the moves you didnt like
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
it's always funny when people pretend you need to post your own agms to comment on others.


When your only form of discussion is slandering everyone else's acgm's, It'd be nice to see what opinions you'd form instead.
Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.
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you havent once tried to engage me in a level headed way. You just said i need to be nicer and then told op not to pay attention to me. Maybe you shouldnt try being so passive agressive with someone who doesnt agree with your opinions


Maybe you should learn to read before you get all bent out of shape and make rude comments. There are 2 spots and also in every trade window stating these are just hypothetical to add back the players we gave away , lost or could have signed to make a better team. Making a comment is 1 thing but you raged about something because you didn't pay attention.
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Aug. 22, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.
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Quoting: dougford
Correct


maybe you should try being nicer
 
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