The Flyers aren’t locking up another retention slot for 4 years with Hayes on one for 3 years. Also $10M of retention alone is worth a 1st. Risto at 2.5M is a player of value and Brodie is that value I guess but then they still have TK, Laughton, Hart, Walker, Seeler, Staal that are all options for retention at the deadline with only 1 spot available to retain on which handicaps them

No to all of this

No to to you and your no to all of this remarks.

Jesus christ what is that Risto trade

This team now is a complete train wreck. There is almost no options out there to get a 1st pair right hand defense and here goes yet another year of hoping what we had works witha couple free agent add ons? If things do not change I am for sure going to be watching teams not called TML lol.

Other than the Philly trade this is pretty solid

I heavily disagree with the seattle trade.
For a team whos offense consistently runs dry making it objectively worse and older will not help anything. I understand what youre looking for but giving up nylander and a promising prospect for 2 middle 6 players at best doesnt sit right for me, seattle would have to add at least a first.

Your missing why I add these two alltogether. Wenberg is a good two way defender and a center to make 3rd and 4th lines much deeper, who will get 40 ish points. Tanev is also a good two way player who gets 40 points and hits a lot. So together they replace the points and add more grit and much more defense.

Both players are absolutely dreadful in the playoffs and tanev hasnt even hit 40 points before and wennberg hasnt hit 40 in like 7 years plus holmberg is a great defender as well.

Ristolainen is a solid defender who hits a lot and blocks a lot of shots . He did play well but his problem has been consistency but that has also been PHI problem as a team. Think he would do very well and is a player whos team may be motivated to make a deal on. There are very few options for this Schenn style player who can play 1st pair minutes to go after.

Ristolainen is not as good as Brodie defensively at his best. At his best offensively, he's a severe liability defensively. There is not upside for Toronto to swap the two, especially when Toronto already has Klingberg. Adding the 1st makes it even worse.

Not my fault these all suck actually it’s your fault

Geez now I see why you are so deluded, Justin Holl fan says it all. Tanev had 35 points and Wenberg had 38 so how far off was I really and you think they are going to get less points on the TML which are built for offence? I also did not add them for their offense it is for their defense which we have very little of after losing ROR, Kerfoot, Acciari, and Engval. Justin Holl is the biggest reason we lost in the playoffs just so you know, 99% of the real TML fans did a little dance when we saw he was not re-signed here.

This does nothing to help Toronto. In reality, it hurts them. I wouldn't give up Nylander alone for that deal, much less adding Holmberg. Their offensive takes a hit big take while their defense mildly improves.

Brodie for Risto is terrible for Toronto. Brodie is one of the best defensive defensemen in the entire league. Like top 5 at his best. Doesn't have a whole lot of offensive upside, but doesn't need it. On the other hand, Risto with Buffalo was solid offensively but horrendous defensively. With the Flyers, he was barely average. Definitely not worth the cap hit. Toronto doesn't need that. Especially when half their roster is already inconsistent.

Schenn paired best with Rielly last season so your reasoning is flawed. Risto ie exactly that type of aggressive hitting defense that would pair with Rielly. Every one keeps saying Brodie is good but he has NOT worked and is getting worse every year we wait to try win with him.

Can you please explain why Brodie was not Riellys partner if he is so good? Why was Schenn a 3rd pair 800k defense playing 1st pair minutes whwn we have an elite top 5 shutdown defense lmao , why is every one so brain washed thinking Brodie is worth a crap?

Yes, let’s trade a first to downgrade the defence 🙌

Because Brodie was Reilly's partner for a lot of last year. And then Reilly was injured a lot this year. And when he was healthy, the lines were scrambling. Reilly had 333 minutes played with Brodie, the 3rd highest TOI by pair. Reilly and Schenn were just over 100. Also, defensive pairings get mixed up purposefully. Coaches don't just automatically put their top 2 defensemen together. Vegas doesn't put Theodore and Pietrangelo together. Edmonton doesn't have Nurse and Bouchard together. Boston doesn't put Lindholm and McAvoy together.

As for the actual stats that matter, Brodie has a 9.1 EVD (Even Strength Defense above replacement in GAR measurements) this year, good for first in the entire league. Risto, much better than I thought though it is a MAJOR anomaly in his career (only other time being positive was 19-20 when he had a .5), had a 7.1 EVD. Brodie consistently averages about a 5 EVD. As for offense, they are much more mixed than I thought. With both Buffalo and Philly, Ristolainen has been around average and a couple years around 3-4 EVO. Brodie is very similar. Though Brodie has one year with 6.2 EVO.

When it comes down to who you want as a defensive defenseman, Brodie is much more consistent and much better overall defensively. If you want an offensive defenseman, results are mixed. Risto may drive his own offense better, but Brodie supports it well.

So, with all that in mind, do I want Brodie at 5, or Risto at 5.1? Most certainly Brodie.

I wouldn't trade a second round pick straight up for Risto. He's been a minus player in every league he's been in, how he's still in the NHL let alone being paid generously is a mystery to me.

We all know to aren't a leafs fan. No one comes on here more to make bad trades specifically so you can lash out at leaf fans. Just own it

The "you can't teach size" crowd doesn't understand anything but how to read a measuring tape. Risto is big, that's it.

And when it mattered Brodie was unable to play 1st pair minutes in the playoffs. I re watched every goal against in both series in the playoffs and 3 that were on the ice almost every goal were Holl , Giordano and Brodie. The biggest reason on most cases for Brodie and Giordano was no toughness to clear the net and not enough strength to win puck battles against dump and chase teams. And Brodie is bad at both at least Risto is not scared to do either and it wouldn't be 5.1 Risto that is why he at 2.6 M DUH, the move is not to just get rid of Brodie but lower cap on a better style partner for Rielly.

You just named the 3 players most trusted to be out there against the other teams top pairings. That is 3/4 of Toronto's defensive defensemen during the playoffs, so of course they're going to be out there for most goals against. They're the ones most likely to be out against the other teams' best scorers. Throwing Risto in that position would most certainly be worse. Just because he is physical doesn't make him good. In fact, with the exception of this year, he has NEVER been good at defense. Almost every other year, he has been terrible at defense. Throwing Risto into Brodie's position would guarantee a failure. I don't disagree that Toronto needs a more physical defenseman, but they also need that guy to be good at defense or it's not worth getting rid of Toronto's best defensive player by far.