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Quoting: jpsnow13

Huberdeau isnt a capdump and Calgary isnt interested in Gally.

Montreal is rebuilding and wont trade away assets for a 30 y.o. player just because they are 1 victory over .500 in october.

Rebuilding takes years. Sit down and wait.

If huberdeau keeps up like last year he definitely is a cap dump.

This isnt chel where 30 year olds are on the brink of retirement.

And I did say its unlikely were in a playoff spot by march, but what if we are? I dont think Hughes or MSL or the players would agree with you at all. This article proves it.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/sports/2016795/canadien-montreal-kent-hughes-debut-saison-talent-pointe

All im saying is situation change quicker than you think, most teams have a completely different roster in a span of 3 years so I dont see how you think the rebuild will take 4-5 more years.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 7:14 p.m.

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Agree with you that how can Huberdeau not be a cap dump. But maybe he turns it around in PQ.

I think Pelletier, a 1st and Huberdeau for some D prospect that has zero chance of making the team is fair.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 7:18 p.m.

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Quoting: GM_SZK

Agree with you that how can Huberdeau not be a cap dump. But maybe he turns it around in PQ.

I think Pelletier, a 1st and Huberdeau for some D prospect that has zero chance of making the team is fair.

Wouldnt go this far, not sure about the value but imo itd be cap dump for cap dump (ex. Gallagher) and a little extra where we get the higher upside and CGY gets to have the cap relief sooner. We're in a good spot cap wise compared to other teams who could be interested in Huby so the leverage could be interesting.

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Oct. 31, 2023 at 7:26 p.m.

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The habs wpuld have 0 interest in huberdeau without half retention.

Hes been a 10.5 million calibre player for like 6 months of his entire career.

Hes a defensive liability left shot winger. Tpu have to be consistently knockong on the door of triple digit points tp be worth 10.5 million

Oct. 31, 2023 at 7:30 p.m.

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The habs wpuld have 0 interest in huberdeau without half retention.

Hes been a 10.5 million calibre player for like 6 months of his entire career.

Hes a defensive liability left shot winger. Tpu have to be consistently knockong on the door of triple digit points tp be worth 10.5 million

What? Hes been a ppg+ player for 5 years before going to Daryl Sutter jail. No one cares about defensive liability when youre role is to produce offense. Half retention on 10.5 is completely unrealistic, im trying to have a real discussion here.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 7:33 p.m.

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I wanna hear actual opinions, not "The habs would never do this or what calgary would do", too many people acting like they're GMs. Keep in mind none of us actually have any idea what where talking about, there is too many factors that we cant be informed about, we're just sharing perspectives.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 7:34 p.m.

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Quoting: patnaisnyquil

If huberdeau keeps up like last year he definitely is a cap dump.

This isnt chel where 30 year olds are on the brink of retirement.

And I did say its unlikely were in a playoff spot by march, but what if we are? I dont think Hughes or MSL or the players would agree with you at all. This article proves it.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/sports/2016795/canadien-montreal-kent-hughes-debut-saison-talent-pointe

All im saying is situation change quicker than you think, most teams have a completely different roster in a span of 3 years so I dont see how you think the rebuild will take 4-5 more years.

From your link:

"Hughes' plan is generally known: the progression of young players, expanding from within in short, and patience, a lot of patience, which has the gift of annoying more than one... . "The problem with free agents is that they are often 27, 28, 29 years old. Normally, the value of these contracts is at the beginning, not at the end. To go and get this type of player to help us , we have to believe that we are closer. Because otherwise, when we are ready, they will no longer be ready, he explained."

Reading in this that KH will go out of his way to get a 30 y.o. 8 years contract for a short playoffs run is complete nonsense.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 7:36 p.m.

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The habs wpuld have 0 interest in huberdeau without half retention.

Hes been a 10.5 million calibre player for like 6 months of his entire career.

Hes a defensive liability left shot winger. Tpu have to be consistently knockong on the door of triple digit points tp be worth 10.5 million

Almost 8 years of retention?

If Skinner turned around so can Huberdeau?

Oct. 31, 2023 at 7:41 p.m.

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What? Hes been a ppg+ player for 5 years before going to Daryl Sutter jail. No one cares about defensive liability when youre role is to produce offense. Half retention on 10.5 is completely unrealistic, im trying to have a real discussion here.

Hes 30 in year 1 of a 8 year deal.

His career high in goals is 30 so hes not a prolific goal scorer (something teams actually pay for).

People care if your a defensive liability when ypu dont produce. This is now the 2nd coach he has been terrible under.

He is the exact profile of the kind of guy you dont make that big money long term profile on. Nobody is tpughing that time bomb withput significant retention.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 7:43 p.m.

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Almost 8 years of retention?

If Skinner turned around so can Huberdeau?

And why wpuld a team bet on that miniscule chance of that happening.

Skinner was also younger when he went thrpugh that career blip.

Huberdeau is on a expected career dip trajectory

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Oct. 31, 2023 at 7:54 p.m.

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From your link:

"Hughes' plan is generally known: the progression of young players, expanding from within in short, and patience, a lot of patience, which has the gift of annoying more than one... . "The problem with free agents is that they are often 27, 28, 29 years old. Normally, the value of these contracts is at the beginning, not at the end. To go and get this type of player to help us , we have to believe that we are closer. Because otherwise, when we are ready, they will no longer be ready, he explained."

Reading in this that KH will go out of his way to get a 30 y.o. 8 years contract for a short playoffs run is complete nonsense.

Like you said he has a 8 year contract so it wouldnt be for a short playoff run. Like I said, the playoff run would be a nice build up for next year (when Hutson, Reinbacher, Roy, maybe Farrell get a spot) and the year after. And like Hughes said, "we have to believe we're closer", which is exactly what a playoff spot in the atlantic division after 2 years of rebuild would be.

Maybe we should just go after reclamation projects like Dach and Newhook, but for now Dach is injury prone and Newhook doesnt look like he'll be a ppg player, which you need to be a contender. Huberdeau was literally a Hart nominee a year and a half ago. If its nonsense, you really think sticking with this core without taking risks is the way to go? What would you do instead, if we actually are in a playoff spot in march?

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Oct. 31, 2023 at 7:54 p.m.

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And why wpuld a team bet on that miniscule chance of that happening.

Skinner was also younger when he went thrpugh that career blip.

Huberdeau is on a expected career dip trajectory

Ya the Skinner reference was kind a devious joke. I wouldn’t touch that Huberdeau contract even if he gets 100 points this year. That kind of player can be replaced partially quite easily, and way cheaper.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 7:58 p.m.

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Hes 30 in year 1 of a 8 year deal.

His career high in goals is 30 so hes not a prolific goal scorer (something teams actually pay for).

People care if your a defensive liability when ypu dont produce. This is now the 2nd coach he has been terrible under.

He is the exact profile of the kind of guy you dont make that big money long term profile on. Nobody is tpughing that time bomb withput significant retention.

So youre just gonna ignore 85 assists in a season... 2nd coach hes been terrible under for 10 games. And I honestly think playing for MSL would do wonders for him. Look at Caufield under Ducharme VS under St-Louis.

I guess youre only as good as your last season. Which is crazy imo.

People on here seem to also forget that the salary cap will increase year after year. And that we have a non NHLer (Gally) getting 6.5M$ for another 4 years.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 8:00 p.m.

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Ya the Skinner reference was kind a devious joke. I wouldn’t touch that Huberdeau contract even if he gets 100 points this year. That kind of player can be replaced partially quite easily, and way cheaper.

A 100 pts player can be replaced partially quite easy?!

Oct. 31, 2023 at 8:05 p.m.

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So youre just gonna ignore 85 assists in a season... 2nd coach hes been terrible under for 10 games. And I honestly think playing for MSL would do wonders for him. Look at Caufield under Ducharme VS under St-Louis.

I guess youre only as good as your last season. Which is crazy imo.

People on here seem to also forget that the salary cap will increase year after year. And that we have a non NHLer (Gally) getting 6.5M$ for another 4 years.

Contracts are forward looking not backward looking. Nobody cares he got 85 assists one year the odds of him doing that are essentially 0.

Gallagher has excellent underlying numbers this year to call him a non nhler is even worse hyperbole.

If they buy out gallagher this offseason thats still 60 million cheaper than huberdeau over the life of his deal in cap.

You dont trade one overpaid player for a nuclear bomb of a bad contract.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 8:06 p.m.

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And why wpuld a team bet on that miniscule chance of that happening.

Skinner was also younger when he went thrpugh that career blip.

Huberdeau is on a expected career dip trajectory

I dont see whats so definitive about the "miniscule" chance of a bounce back or a "career dip trajectory". He had one bad season, its not like he has career threatening injuries. Plenty of elite players have had disappointing seasons and bounced back.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 8:11 p.m.

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Contracts are forward looking not backward looking. Nobody cares he got 85 assists one year the odds of him doing that are essentially 0.

Gallagher has excellent underlying numbers this year to call him a non nhler is even worse hyperbole.

If they buy out gallagher this offseason thats still 60 million cheaper than huberdeau over the life of his deal in cap.

You dont trade one overpaid player for a nuclear bomb of a bad contract.

Do you ever watch habs game? Gallagher has been brutal for 3+ years now, i dont care about his underlying numbers. He is completely cooked.

Huberdeau has put up 61pts in 55 games before his 115 pts season, 78 in 69 the year before and 92 in 82 before that. How in the world are the odds of him bouncing back are essentially 0. You dont provide any argument to back that statement.

Im trading Gallagher for Huberdeau all day.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 8:18 p.m.

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I dont see whats so definitive about the "miniscule" chance of a bounce back or a "career dip trajectory". He had one bad season, its not like he has career threatening injuries. Plenty of elite players have had disappointing seasons and bounced back.

Age

Not playing with a top 5 leaguewide centre anymore

1 way game.

Hes a 1 way complimentary player making 200 foot play driver money.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 8:21 p.m.

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It would cost so much for Calgary to trade Huberdeau. It's not happening.

It's the worst contract in the league.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 8:22 p.m.

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Do you ever watch habs game? Gallagher has been brutal for 3+ years now, i dont care about his underlying numbers. He is completely cooked.

Huberdeau has put up 61pts in 55 games before his 115 pts season, 78 in 69 the year before and 92 in 82 before that. How in the world are the odds of him bouncing back are essentially 0. You dont provide any argument to back that statement.

Im trading Gallagher for Huberdeau all day.

I have watched every second of habs hockey including the rookie tournament, red and white game, preseason and regular season this year.

You clearly havent he has played excellent most of the games especially after a slow start. Theres a reason he has fantastic underlying numbers this year

He brings something too the ice even if hes not putting up points. Huberdeau is a black hole when hes not a ppg guy.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 8:26 p.m.

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Quoting: patnaisnyquil

A 100 pts player can be replaced partially quite easy?!

Umm he had 50ish last year? And in any case yes.

Many many inconsistent playmakers who have lesser cap hits to way lesser cap hits.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 8:29 p.m.

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Quoting: Black61

Age

Not playing with a top 5 leaguewide centre anymore

1 way game.

Hes a 1 way complimentary player making 200 foot play driver money.

His line with Bennet and Duclair was one of the best in the league. There is maybe 5 200 foot, ppg+ players in this league. This is just bad faith at this point, agree to disagree.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 8:34 p.m.

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I have watched every second of habs hockey including the rookie tournament, red and white game, preseason and regular season this year.

You clearly havent he has played excellent most of the games especially after a slow start. Theres a reason he has fantastic underlying numbers this year

He brings something too the ice even if hes not putting up points. Huberdeau is a black hole when hes not a ppg guy.

Played excellent, what im I reading. He has fallen off a cliff for 3 years, has brick hands and can barely skate. Always gassed and can only contribute on the PK. Who woukd you target instead then, cause this core isnt winning anything. Not saying Huberdeau is the answer either.

Oct. 31, 2023 at 8:36 p.m.

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