Krebs for Zadorov is interesting 🤨, but Indont know about Clifton who seems to only play well with a “B” on the front of his Jersey

How bout Krebs + Stillman FOR Zadorov and if it helps you out a 3rd FOR Joker

How about “NO” to any of this nonsense?!

Okay, whatever you say…… 😔

Krebs for a rental? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

A 3rd for Jokiharju? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


U might wanna join me in reality

You Goon You lol. Why do you have to use all those 🤣

C‘mon now. You clearly under value Zadorov and over value Krebs. One’s Playing well (Big-Z) and the other not so much (little-k)

Zadorov’s looking for a contract, so just give him one

Wasn’t it just last season BUF Fans had Jokiharju in every single Trade looking to dump him!? So what he’s having a decent season offensively!? Has his stock now rebounded back to a 2nd!?

Sooooooo….. by your logic,
Zadorov playing well increases his value,
but Jokiharju playing well doesn’t? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The hypocrisy is laughable
And just bc some disgruntled Sabres fans make trades on this FAKE site, it’s doesn’t mean that has ANY chance of happening in REAL LIFE

So again, i invite you to join me in reality
We aren’t trading Krebs for a UFA we could simply wait to sign if we actually wanted him
And it’s UNLIKELY we would even want him, since we already have Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson & R.Johnson as LH defensemen already here long term

It doesn’t make sense for us

Yeah, okay, I got no gripes with you, your opinion or what you feel your Teams needs are, you should know better than me

I do see a need/role for Zadorov on pretty much any Team and I’d say he’s been more consistent and brings a lot more than Jokiharju, but no worries

Is Kreb’s available and if so, what’s the cost!?

Jokiharju is a RD playing well with Power
Zadorov is a LH shot
Even if he’s better than Jokiharju, he isn’t a better FIT for what we NEED
If he was RH it would be a different story, but he’s not…..


As for Krebs:
Saying he’s playing poorly isn’t all that accurate

He’s been asked to play a heavily defensive center role which has clearly affected his offensive output, but he’s developing in that role & Sabres Mgmt aren’t showing any signs of wanting to dump him
He was a “must have” part of the Eichel deal, so it’s safe to say he’s well liked by the ppl who matter
And while *some* fans might be frustrated by not seeing offense from him, that simply doesn’t equate to our GM wanting to trade him

Do i think Krebs is untouchable?
No
But i do think we have plans for him being here a while
So i don’t think he’s all that “available”
Not unless it’s as part of a package for a legit #1 goalie,
or maybe a RD like Rasmus Andersson?

Something like Andersson for Krebs, Jokiharju & a 1st ?
Which I’m sure seems low for you,
since u don’t seem to think highly of Krebs or Jokiharju

But that would be my guess- and yes, I’m admitting it’s a GUESS, as to the type of deal the Sabres might be willing to make
Maybe we’d add in another of our young prospects as well
I’m not sure, as I’m clearly not our GM

But i am pretty sure we aren’t gonna dump guys that our Mgmt is proven to like- not for cheap anyways

I’m high….. on Krebs, yes, but I’m admittedly looking to buy low on him 😉

I was thinking something like:

Dahlin/Power-Power/Dahlin
Zadorov-Samuelson
R.Johnson-E.Johnson/Jokiharju
xClifford

I appreciate your effort and long explanations. That doesn’t go unnoticed and is appreciated

The thing is,
the Sabres clearly don’t wanna have all LH guys in our top4

So much so, that we started the year by breaking up Samuelsson-Dahlin, who had been fairly outstanding together

With them back together now (it didn’t take long),
it’s very hard to imagine they’d pair Power with a LH shot guy
Seems more like a “last resort” then something we’d intentionally plan to do

We’re also looking for stability for our young talent
And when healthy, that’s something Jokiharju has been able to provide (for the most part)
If we were to move on from him, it would have to be for an obvious upgrade- which is why i brought up Andersson
(and yes, i do realize u guys are very unlikely to move him)


And as far as Krebs goes,
u might be able to “buy low” on him on Cap Friendly
But in the real world, i think we still like him & are nowhere close to a deal like that for him

We waited for Mitts to develop too
Our GM has more patience than our fan base- MUCH more

Can’t get anything past you my friend, can’t even sell you our precious snake oil 🐍

The thing is, I honestly don’t disagree with anything you’re saying there, but surely BUF has needs, other than Andersson who isn’t available at this time

Here’s what i think our number 1 “need” is :
PATIENCE

We have so much young talent ready to break into the NHL
Benson, Savoie, Kulich & Rosen at forward alone

But they don’t all come into the league as PPG players
Took Dahlin 5years to become a stud
Took Mittelstadt 6 years to start to show what he can really be

We really have to give our young talent the time they need to develop
Levi might be a #1 franchise type goalie,
but he also might not
We gotta give him the time & development path to find out
And not just him & Krebs, but the rest of our young talent as well

We are the youngest team in the league i think,
and we aren’t gonna grow up overnight

Fans might be out of patience & want rash trades now
But our ownership saw that type plan fail miserably with the Eichel/Reinhart core
And i just don’t think we’re gonna be willing to risk making the same mistakes all over again

That’s a good overall assessment

Seems like you know your Sabres 👍

I think i do at least, lol

I also try not to take all this TOO seriously
It’s just sports after all
The very nature by which leaves basically every fan base but 1 disappointed each season

Ugh…. maybe one day we get there
Just have to wait & see how it all plays out

You’re definitely onto something with most of this. If I would say the Sabres need anything, it’s they simply do not have enough size and grit in the forward lineup. Outside of Greenway and Tuch, there is no one who plays with any physicality that will be here next year. I’d have to think they’ll need to be willing to trade some of the smaller prospects they have for a couple wingers who play a tougher game, to at least protect the rest of the talent. Outside of Olivier-Nadeau as far as I know, they just don’t have any prospects in the system who can play a more physical game. The Sabres already have a ton of skill in the pipeline, but nobody willing to throw hits to protect them.

I don’t really agree with you

First off, it’s hard to acquire guys who are physical that can actually play
If we can get more guys like Tuch, then great!
But they are hard to acquire
Usually u just gotta overpay for a guy like Greenway,
& that just doesn’t help much at all

Secondly,
u don’t necessarily have to be physical & throw hits to be tough to play against
I’d MUCH rather have a fast, skilled team who can pressure & forecheck & create turnovers
Those things help u win much more than what guys like Greenway bring to the table

I understand how you feel. But I think of it like this: hockey isn’t like that classic Nintendo game blades of steel that I grew up on where all the players are the same size. It’s more like the older game just called ice hockey, with three different player types: huge, slow dudes with powerful slap shots that can knock any guy over, tiny super fast guys that can’t hit or shoot very hard, and average size players, with average speed and power. Too much of one type and you’ll get smoked, either physically or they’ll be faster than you and beat you to every puck. You need a good mix of all three types to be successful. Players like Tuch aren’t cheap to acquire, on that we are agreed. But if you don’t want all these tiny skill players to be pounded and injured by teams like Boston and Philly, you need guys who are willing to stand up to them and hit back. You can make the argument that Buffalo doesn’t even have room for all of these prospects to actually play in our system. Eventually, a couple guys are going to be the odd man out and need to be traded to where they will get an opportunity, and where the Sabres can get something they need in return. I would look to a team like Minnesota, that seems to have an abundance of physical players in their system, but not much in the way of skill. That sounds like a good match for that kind of trade.

Sure, but ONLY if you’re getting physical players like Tuch
And no more guys like Greenway

It’s not just that players like Tuch are expensive to get,
it’s that teams just don’t trade them all that often

Idk what “physical” guys u want,
but most of the ones who seem like they could be available just aren’t very good

Players like Tuch usually don’t get traded, because teams generally are lucky to get them in the first place. Another 30 goals scoring player who can throw hits will cost you a top prospect at the least, and a younger one who can produce will cost you a top prospect and possibly a top pick. Look at what Tampa paid for Tanner Jeannot. They basically gave up an entire draft to get him because he scored 20 goals once, and he hits people. There’s almost no way he’ll live up to that trade value.

While adding a game breaker who can play a physical style would be amazing, Tkachuk brothers don’t grow on trees. Realistically, adding a guy who can add even 10 goals for the season would be ideal, as long as they open up space for our smaller, more talented players. Specifically, if you don’t trade for him this season, Brandon Duhaime out of Minnesota would be a nice pick up in free agency next summer. Especially as a replacement for Girgensons, Okposo, or Jost. In terms of trade targets, I also like Connor Dewar as another option. I think it’s important to find someone who fits into the core age group of this team and can grow with them.

I really do get where you’re coming from
But 4th liners rarely move the needle

Current fourth liners may be the most affordable, but that doesn’t mean they can’t target someone with more potential. I definitely think they should draft players with a more physical game to be on the safe side, because you never know who is going to make it, and who isn’t.

Drafting those guys on one thing
Thinking we’d be able to pull off trades for more “Tuch” like players is a reach though
I’d like it, but it’s rare

Alex Tuch was a valued prospect to most hockey fans when Minnesota gifted him to Vegas. But clearly they didn’t value him very much. Having that kind of foresight when it comes to a prospect that may be on the verge of making the jump is how the Sabres have to do that sort of thing.

Sure, but that’s easier said than done
For every Alex Tuch that hits, there’s a dozen “Zack Kassian’s” who bust

I wouldn’t say a 10+ year career is much of a bust really. You can say that Zemgus Girgensons is also a bust for his draft position too, but he’s also had a 10+ year career. He is still less of a bust than Mikhael Grigorenko. When you think about it, what makes a useful 4th liner? I know you want somebody who can play up, but you’re not always going to get that. You want an Anthony Mantha, but right now Washington doesn’t want Anthony Mantha.