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If Noah Hanifin did not turn down 60 million dollars from the Calgary Flames

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Team: 2024-25 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 30, 2023
Published: Nov. 30, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,400,000
2$775,000
2$775,000
1$775,000
1$775,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$7,500,000
8$7,500,000
1$2,000,000
1$775,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Bean, Jake$775,000No Compensation
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (VAN)
VAN
    Nikita Zadorov
    2.
    CGY
    1. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
    2. 2025 3rd round pick (TOR)
    TOR
      Chris Tanev and 50% retention at the trade deadline
      3.
      CGY
      1. Lysell, Fabian
      2. 2025 1st round pick (BOS)
      Additional Details:
      Either Derek Forbort or Matt Grzelcyk
      BOS
        Elias Lindholm and 50% retention at the trade deadline


        Lindholm would supposedly sign an 8 year extension soon after the trade.
        4.
        CGY
        1. Ekblad, Aaron
        2. 2024 6th round pick (FLA)
        Additional Details:
        Based on the Seth Jones trade
        FLA
        1. Coronato, Matthew
        2. 2024 1st round pick (CGY)
        3. 2025 1st round pick (BOS)
        Additional Details:
        Trade made 1 day after Ekblad's NMC is lifted during the 2024 offseason.


        Ekblad then signs an 8 year extension with Calgary and reunites with Weegar.
        DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
        2024
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        Logo of the VAN
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        Logo of the FLA
        2025
        Logo of the FLA
        Logo of the CGY
        Logo of the CGY
        Logo of the TOR
        Logo of the CGY
        Logo of the CGY
        Logo of the CGY
        2026
        Logo of the CGY
        Logo of the CGY
        Logo of the CGY
        Logo of the CGY
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        ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
        22$87,500,000$87,263,333$0$212,500$236,667
        Left WingCentreRight Wing
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        $10,500,000$10,500,000
        LW, RW
        NMC
        UFA - 7
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $7,000,000$7,000,000
        C
        NMC
        UFA - 5
        $7,500,000$7,500,000
        RW
        UFA
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $5,800,000$5,800,000
        RW, LW
        M-NTC
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $4,500,000$4,500,000
        C
        NMC
        UFA - 2
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $4,900,000$4,900,000
        RW, LW
        M-NTC
        UFA - 3
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $3,100,000$3,100,000
        C, LW, RW
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
        LW, C
        RFA - 1
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $775,000$775,000
        RW
        RFA - 2
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $775,000$775,000
        LW, C
        UFA
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $2,400,000$2,400,000
        LW, RW, C
        RFA
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $825,000$825,000
        RW
        UFA - 1
        Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $6,250,000$6,250,000
        LD/RD
        NTC
        UFA - 7
        Logo of the Florida Panthers
        $7,500,000$7,500,000
        RD
        M-NTC
        UFA - 1
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $6,000,000$6,000,000
        G
        NMC
        UFA - 2
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $7,500,000$7,500,000
        LD
        UFA - 8
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $4,550,000$4,550,000
        RD
        M-NTC
        UFA - 2
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $2,200,000$2,200,000
        G
        UFA - 1
        $775,000$775,000
        LD/RD
        RFA
        $2,000,000$2,000,000
        RD
        UFA
        ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
        Logo of the Calgary Flames
        $775,000$775,000
        LW
        RFA
        $775,000$775,000
        RD
        UFA

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        Dec. 1, 2023 at 3:43 p.m.
        #51
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        Quoting: westleysnipez
        You did not say that. You claimed Edmonton was using prorated cap space from the Kulak trade. "Contracts are still prorated." "Kulaks cap hit was ~190k." That is false.

        I didn't repeat what you said. Kulaks cap hit was 925k. I pointed that out. Now that you were proven wrong, you're trying to change what you said when everyone can see the chat logs. Just admit you were wrong my guy.


        I literally said how accrued cap space is reverse prorating and that you can't accrue cap space on LTIR. I was agreeing with your previous post. I then pointed out the money in, money out with lagesson. I was originally wrong about it not prorating because I don't remember every team that was and wasn't on LTIR 2 years ago
        Dec. 1, 2023 at 5:43 p.m.
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        Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
        I literally said how accrued cap space is reverse prorating and that you can't accrue cap space on LTIR. I was agreeing with your previous post. I then pointed out the money in, money out with lagesson. I was originally wrong about it not prorating because I don't remember every team that was and wasn't on LTIR 2 years ago


        I was referring to your comment before, where you said Kulak was only 200k in cap hit for Edmonton because you thought they were using accrual, not the Lagesson money in money out that you had mentioned in this comment. You changed your story after I pointed that out.

        Also, did you google the accrual rules? I ask that because you're mixing up how they work and using confusing structure. I don't mean that in a bad way, it can be confusing and requires a lot of math and calculations, so Google helps, but it is confusing when you're trying to explain it through your filtered interpretation. I'm by no means an expert myself, and I do see people falling into that well of the Dunning Kruger effect.

        Accurual is not a reverse of pro-rating, it's addition and subtraction of the saved cap space a team has earned each day they've been under the cap and off LTIR. A team cannot benefit from accrual while they are using LTIR, you're right on this. A team could use LTIR for half the season and benefit from the accrued cap hits the remainder of the season.
        Dec. 1, 2023 at 9:12 p.m.
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        Quoting: westleysnipez
        I was referring to your comment before, where you said Kulak was only 200k in cap hit for Edmonton because you thought they were using accrual, not the Lagesson money in money out that you had mentioned in this comment. You changed your story after I pointed that out.

        Also, did you google the accrual rules? I ask that because you're mixing up how they work and using confusing structure. I don't mean that in a bad way, it can be confusing and requires a lot of math and calculations, so Google helps, but it is confusing when you're trying to explain it through your filtered interpretation. I'm by no means an expert myself, and I do see people falling into that well of the Dunning Kruger effect.

        Accurual is not a reverse of pro-rating, it's addition and subtraction of the saved cap space a team has earned each day they've been under the cap and off LTIR. A team cannot benefit from accrual while they are using LTIR, you're right on this. A team could use LTIR for half the season and benefit from the accrued cap hits the remainder of the season.


        You were right about the accrued cap, Klefblom hasn't played in so long I completely forgot about him. The 200k was from the player in player out difference.

        No accrued cap space is reverse prorating. Each team is given a budget of 83.5M and they can never exceed it unless they use LTIR. Over the course of the season they pay off each player off bit by bit and a percentage of their cap hit is reduced each day (depending on how many days are in the season but usually about 180). The call it accrued cap space because it is easier to calculate the cap total cap you can add at the deadline equal to the players initial cap hit than it is calculate every players prorated cap hit. For example Dallas started the season with $457,171 in cap space. Their projected TLD cap space assuming no changes is $2,041,322. This year the season is 192 days long and the TDL is on day March 8th which is day 151/192 making it 78.6% of the season complete, meaning there will be 21.4% remaining 21.4% x $2,041,322 = $435,907, which is roughly the Stars season starting cap space. The difference in 22k would be their transactions so far this season
        Dec. 1, 2023 at 10:10 p.m.
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        Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
        You were right about the accrued cap, Klefblom hasn't played in so long I completely forgot about him. The 200k was from the player in player out difference.

        No accrued cap space is reverse prorating. Each team is given a budget of 83.5M and they can never exceed it unless they use LTIR. Over the course of the season they pay off each player off bit by bit and a percentage of their cap hit is reduced each day (depending on how many days are in the season but usually about 180). The call it accrued cap space because it is easier to calculate the cap total cap you can add at the deadline equal to the players initial cap hit than it is calculate every players prorated cap hit. For example Dallas started the season with $457,171 in cap space. Their projected TLD cap space assuming no changes is $2,041,322. This year the season is 192 days long and the TDL is on day March 8th which is day 151/192 making it 78.6% of the season complete, meaning there will be 21.4% remaining 21.4% x $2,041,322 = $435,907, which is roughly the Stars season starting cap space. The difference in 22k would be their transactions so far this season


        Yeah, you have it about 80% right.

        There's a bit of confusion from how you've written it again. Accrual is the cap space earned through the regular season by the pro-rated cap hits/salaries of the individual player, each day of the season it is added, You're not reversing the days remaining in the season, you're subtracting the days that have already passed.

        Also, you've altered Puckpedia's breakdown in a way that doesn't work. You cannot calculate the accrued cap space using the team's cap hit overall, you have to use the individual players' cap hits. You might wonder what the difference is, but when you have players who are only up for a day vs. players who are up all season it adds up.

        It's not Ax + Bx + Cx = Dx

        It's Aw + Bx + Cy = Dz
        Dec. 2, 2023 at 5:47 a.m.
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        Edited Dec. 2, 2023 at 5:54 a.m.
        Quoting: westleysnipez
        Yeah, you have it about 80% right.

        There's a bit of confusion from how you've written it again. Accrual is the cap space earned through the regular season by the pro-rated cap hits/salaries of the individual player, each day of the season it is added, You're not reversing the days remaining in the season, you're subtracting the days that have already passed.

        Also, you've altered Puckpedia's breakdown in a way that doesn't work. You cannot calculate the accrued cap space using the team's cap hit overall, you have to use the individual players' cap hits. You might wonder what the difference is, but when you have players who are only up for a day vs. players who are up all season it adds up.

        It's not Ax + Bx + Cx = Dx

        It's Aw + Bx + Cy = Dz


        Ive never read puckpedia's explanation, I didn't know they had one. I read CF's simplified CBA when I wondered how a team could exceed the cap at the deadline according to their CF page. I call it reverse accrued cap space because in layman's terms it is fundamentally correct. A team with a cap of 82.5M does not have 4.465M in cap at the deadline they have the cap space to add a player who's initial contract was 4.465M but is now prorated to ~80%. Most people on here do not understand that.

        You seem to have a pretty good grasp on how it works though as well

        Also side note. I am definitely missing some key dates off in the NHL season. The season is not 192 days long and the TDL is not on day 151. I assumed those missing days were the 3 days off on Christmas but I am still missing another day or 2 somewhere. Regardless neither Dallas or St. Louis have made any roster changes yet this season and their TDL cap spaces are the same % difference from their initial cap hits.
         
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