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Buchnevich

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Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 1, 2023
Published: Dec. 1, 2023
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This is coming from a Blues fan. My thought is if Vancouver really wants to go all in their biggest target should be Buch. He is cost controlled for the next 2 years (especially if retained) and he is one of the most underrated players in the league.

Now do the Blues want to trade him? I think Buch is amazing but when looking at where he fits in our timeline of contention I just think he'll be well out of his prime by the time we are true contenders. Therefore we might as well sell high on him and get some great futures.

Below I have put together multiple trade proposals that just have different perspectives of getting Buch. I think the Blues would want either Lekkerimaki or Willander as the key part of the trade but is Vancouver really willing to give up on either, likely not (and almost certainly not Willander).
Either way I have put together trades including both of them just to see what it would look like.

I have to believe in any deal the Blues will be looking for about the equivalent of 2 first round picks and a 2nd round pick.

In the deals below I assumed:
* Lekkerimaki = 1st + 2nd
* Willander = 2 1sts
* For the deal with Podkolzin I feel like he needs a change of scenery before next year and could be added to take on Myers cap hit.

I know Vancouver fans would love to get Buch cheap but the Blues don't really have an incentive to sell low on him as they could just keep him and sign him long term (even though I don't think that's the best move they might). I think of the 3 deals below Vancouver likely does the first one. Hoglander has been really good this year so they might not want to include him so maybe Podkolzin instead but there needs to be some actual players of value instead of just picks.

Thoughts?
Trades
1.
VAN
  1. Bortuzzo, Robert
  2. Buchnevich, Pavel ($2,900,000 retained)
Additional Details:
Bortz is a better add than Myers especially for a playoff team.
This move clears up 3.5 million in cap space for Vancouver to continue making moves at the deadline.

Raty + Myers = 1st
Hoglander = 2nd
24 1st
Bortz = 6th
STL
  1. Höglander, Nils
  2. Myers, Tyler
  3. Räty, Aatu
  4. 2024 1st round pick (VAN)
  5. 2024 6th round pick (VAN)
2.
VAN
    Buch 50% retained
    Bortz
    STL
    1. Lekkerimäki, Jonathan
    2. Podkolzin, Vasily
    Additional Details:
    Add in 24' 1st round pick
    Add in Tyler Myers
    3.
    VAN
      Buch 50% retained
      STL
      1. Willander, Tom [Reserve List]
      2. 2025 2nd round pick (VAN)
      Buyouts
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      2026
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      RFA - 1
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      UFA - 4
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      UFA - 3
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      UFA - 1
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      UFA - 1
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      UFA - 2
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      $775,000$775,000
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      UFA - 2

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      Dec. 1, 2023 at 1:08 p.m.
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      Raty + Myers isn't equivalent to a first. Myers contract is up at the end of the year, he's a rental. Raty may still become something, as he's been good in the AHL, but he's barely seen time in the NHL. There is hardly any value in these 2 players at the moment.

      As for the other options, I don't see Vancouver moving on from Lekkerimaki or Willander.
      Dec. 1, 2023 at 1:09 p.m.
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      Take the 1st rounder out of the first trade.
      The other 2 trades are hard no’s.
      Dec. 1, 2023 at 1:15 p.m.
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      Quoting: Canucks4life
      Take the 1st rounder out of the first trade.
      The other 2 trades are hard no’s.


      So you want Buch for Hoglander, Raty, and Myers...that's pretty horrible value.
      Dec. 1, 2023 at 1:31 p.m.
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      Blues decline, I think other teams would have better offers for Buch than this imo
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      Dec. 1, 2023 at 1:32 p.m.
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      👉👈 is that all you want for Buch? or would we hypothetically have to pay a "your GM made a bad trade involving this player once and looked stupid so you have to pay more" tax on him?

      Bc he might be the answer to getting Zib + Kreider going at ES.
      Dec. 1, 2023 at 1:39 p.m.
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      Quoting: BroadwayBlueshirts
      👉👈 is that all you want for Buch? or would we hypothetically have to pay a "your GM made a bad trade involving this player once and looked stupid so you have to pay more" tax on him?

      Bc he might be the answer to getting Zib + Kreider going at ES.


      A trade back to the Rangers would be interesting. I feel like the Rangers wouldn't do it though because it would be like admitting a mistake in trading him the first time (it was for salary needs but still).
      Either way the Rangers have the prospects and picks to get a deal done. I'd imagine they would want the deal centered around Kakko but his value has dipped a lot and his injury seems bad so the Blues likely don't go for him. Do you have any trade proposals?
      Dec. 1, 2023 at 1:49 p.m.
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      Quoting: BroadwayBlueshirts
      👉👈 is that all you want for Buch? or would we hypothetically have to pay a "your GM made a bad trade involving this player once and looked stupid so you have to pay more" tax on him?

      Bc he might be the answer to getting Zib + Kreider going at ES.


      I think any realistic situation involves a good prospect, a decently young roster replacement (Zetterlund ->Sharks), a great prospect and a 1st + 2nd (possibly conditional to turn into a 1st).

      I’m pretty convinced for Buch at 50% the return would at bare minimum be in the realm of the Meier trade. I don’t see why he would be moved for less especially this season when a more Horvat return is something that’s conceivable at the tdl. The overall pieces between the two aren’t that far off.

      Ohkutiok + Zetterlund + Mukmahdullin + late 1st + cond 2nd
      Vs
      Mid tier 1st + Raty + Beauvillier

      Hypothetically just spitballing.

      Kakko + Schneider + Othmann + 1st + 25 cond 2nd. For Buch at 50%.

      Not really sure how much that accomplishes for us versus just keeping Buch. We’re bound to be stuck right on the cusp for a while id imagine. Our defense isn’t great but is too good to flatline. Same with our forwards. And our goalies have been stealing points left and right. Extending Buch realistically is probably our best route, unless someone is willing to chuck a true top end d prospect our way
      Dec. 1, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.
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      Quoting: BluesReport18
      A trade back to the Rangers would be interesting. I feel like the Rangers wouldn't do it though because it would be like admitting a mistake in trading him the first time (it was for salary needs but still).
      Either way the Rangers have the prospects and picks to get a deal done. I'd imagine they would want the deal centered around Kakko but his value has dipped a lot and his injury seems bad so the Blues likely don't go for him. Do you have any trade proposals?


      Yeah, it seems unlikely considering it basically would be Drury showing he made a mistake... it'd benefit them like crazy but I think the combo of that and probably the potential weight of the package just might be too much. Sucks but that's the hole he dug.
      Dec. 1, 2023 at 1:52 p.m.
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      Quoting: AC14
      I think any realistic situation involves a good prospect, a decently young roster replacement (Zetterlund ->Sharks), a great prospect and a 1st + 2nd (possibly conditional to turn into a 1st).

      I’m pretty convinced for Buch at 50% the return would at bare minimum be in the realm of the Meier trade. I don’t see why he would be moved for less especially this season when a more Horvat return is something that’s conceivable at the tdl. The overall pieces between the two aren’t that far off.

      Ohkutiok + Zetterlund + Mukmahdullin + late 1st + cond 2nd
      Vs
      Mid tier 1st + Raty + Beauvillier

      Hypothetically just spitballing.

      Kakko + Schneider + Othmann + 1st + 25 cond 2nd. For Buch at 50%.

      Not really sure how much that accomplishes for us versus just keeping Buch. We’re bound to be stuck right on the cusp for a while id imagine. Our defense isn’t great but is too good to flatline. Same with our forwards. And our goalies have been stealing points left and right. Extending Buch realistically is probably our best route, unless someone is willing to chuck a true top end d prospect our way


      Ok I was way off lmao. Understandable though.
      Dec. 1, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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      I think the blues could probably find a better offer than the first. I'm not sure that Raty and Myers equal a first. I think the latter two trades i think are fair in value, but I could see why Canucks fans are against it. It's never easy to give up a prospect, but sometimes that the price for pushing yourself into playoff contention. Buch is also a lot more return than your typical rental too. Would give Vancouver 2+ very real shots at the Finals.
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      Dec. 1, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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      Quoting: BroadwayBlueshirts
      Ok I was way off lmao. Understandable though.


      Yeah formatting of the op is kind of tough to gauge. I couldn’t tell if the first one was in both the 2nd and 3rd option or what. If they’re all separate they’re all very bad for the Blues.
      Dec. 1, 2023 at 2:57 p.m.
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      Dude... not only are the first two trades utter crap for the Blues, but they cannot fit either under the cap. This is super basic stuff. Meanwhile, both teams say no to the 3rd one.
       
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