Both teams declined.
Why would both teams do this trade?
It doesn’t make sense.

In theory, the 1st and Brzzy is a good foundation. All these other pieces you're adding don't move the needle at all.

Definitely seems like an overpay, all the two years at that cap his valuable.

Copp was a rental a two years ago, fetched a conditional first, conditional 2nd, 5th and Morgan Barron.

If Van moves these picks and Pod, I'd argue that's equivalent or better without conditions. Now for the 2nd year, it's not a stretch to see how it could be worth another prospect. Albeit, a RHD, whose been scorching lately.

Not sure how much value Pod would have.

Copp also isn't a great comp for Buch.

So first of all you know he isn't a center and never really has been. So 1 he won't be able to play 2c for us and you have to value him as a winger.

The 1st was conditional on a pretty significant condition (need to make the conference finals and play at least half the games), otherwise it was a second.

Toffoli is probably a better comp it's 2.5 years at 4.25 instead 1.5 of 2.9m. You could subtract the subsequent trade and adjust for the retention. That's probably the best way.

Calgary sent 1.75m cap dump back for the trade deadline so cap is about even that year, so only need to adjust for cap in second year.

1.5 years of Toffoli was worth 1st, 4th, 5th and Emil Heineman (2nd round pick in d+3 year probably a C prospect at the time comparable to Klimovich right now)

1.35m full year of cap retention would be less than a 2nd (bailey trade out to Chicago with buyout was [1.166x2 years) was for a 2026 2nd) it's probably 2024 3rd but we'll say a 2nd to be conservative.

They got a 3rd and a good prospect/roster player back, got to be worth at least a 2nd (although probably more), but we can say that to be conservative.

So adding it all up you've got 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and Klimovich/3rd minus a 2nd and 3rd. So could be 1sr, plus 4th and 5th or 1st, 4th, 5th and Klimovich with a 3rd coming back. So why not say to be conservative drop the third coming back and it's 1st, 4th, 5th and Klim for this, hell you could drop Klim and the 4th and put in a second if you want to go wild. That you're still and Podz and Hunter too high.

I think the realistic trade is probably about Podz and a 1st.

There is no chance Podz and first gets a retained Buch. The better comp is Meier, but comps are pretty goofy business to play anyways. They never account for the context in which trades happen. St. Louis would probably resign or find a different trade location if Podz and and late 1st was the best Vancouver could offer.

I mean, obviously, they'll take the most they can get, but wingers just aren't that valuable in the NHL at the moment. Go look at winger trades over the last few years, and it's pretty clear. Look at what DeBrincat got.

I don't totally disagree with you, but the Debrincat trade sent Kubalik to the Sens. Definitely a downgrade, but Kubalik had scored the same amount of even strength goals the year prior as Debrincat. Sebrango is also a better prospect potentially in my opinion. If you were going to base it off Debrincat the trade would proabably be something around like unretained Buch for Hunter B., Kuzmenko, a 2024 1st, and like 3rd or 4th maybe.

I'm not going to base it off the Debrincat trade. The point is he's way more valuable and look what he got, not this is a comp.

Wingers just aren't getting the kinds of returns expected in this post. The Toffoli comp is solid. Blake Coleman could be another comp, although a little older and before the market for wingers really crashed. It would probably suggest closer to Hunter B and a first.