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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 8 at 1:15 p.m.
Thread: Buchnevich
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BDHockey</b></div><div>I would give him the same value as Timo Meier roughly. I don't think a quality prospect and late first is too much to ask.</div></div>

I was going to say definitely worth less than Meiers, but taking another look maybe not so far off. From how good the players are and how they should be valued you're probably right that they should be valued the same or even Buch valued more. But trades are weird and often based more on the market's perception of the player's value and I would say that he falls a step below Meiers at the times of the respective trades. Meiers was seen as a star winger part of it due to his power-forward status and I'd say Buch as seen as a 1st line winger.

I broke down his value in another post using Toffoli, which I think is probably the better comp (although does require some adjustment for the third year). But like I said after a second look, Meiers isn't an unreasonable comp other than how you value RFA status versus 1 more year of cheap contract.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30 at 8:38 p.m.
Thread: Zadorov to Toronto idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Canuck fans must be having buyers remorse eh? Trying to pawn off a guy they aren't happy with for more than they paid.</div></div>

No Zadorov has been full value. Worth the price, but our left and right side is unbalanced when fully healthy and I don't think the Canucks should resign Zadorov for what he is expected to demand given that I think he isn't better than Soucy and that would make him a very overpaid bottom pair LD.

I don't get why the Leafs undervalue Timmins so much, I think he's great for his contract and he's locked for another year at a reasonable price that fits our cap structure. If he's waiver fodder, then the price can be adjusted to match values, I did say the picks might be different. Retention could also come from a third team.

Sometimes, people are trying to you know make a win-win that works for both teams. That was the idea here.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jaok3</b></div><div>Idk if any team has traded for a player mid-season than trade them that same season. I also thought that Vancouver was happy with his play.</div></div>

Teams have done so. I think the Canucks could do it if they send Zadorov somewhere he is happy to go and the Canucks aren't planning to resign him and they can spin it as giving him a chance somewhere else.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30 at 8:25 p.m.
Thread: Selling After The Break
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Beargold</b></div><div>I just don't think his responsibility (or lack thereof) while attempting to be a play maker is what VAN should be after. Sportsnet has a pretty good article about the Leafs as a whole, but it highlights some of what I'm talking about with Domi trying to force offense rather than play reliably: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/systems-analyst-how-one-oilers-goal-highlighted-maple-leafs-biggest-issues/

VAN is after a centre, and it is important that Domi can play that, but I think it would create more headaches than it would solve if they were to try and bring him in. In a perfect world, I'd say Drury (CAR) or Frost (PHI) but they'd be quite expensive and neither of their respective teams would have much interest in trading them.. Guess it's Henrique, lol.</div></div>

I'd love Frost. I don't know if he's still in the doghouse with Torts and so I'm not sure if he's available now :(

Looking at the link, the analysis is off, that is the story of Knies making mistake after mistake. Domi is a little in elegant in a couple spot, but all in all is good. The pass in the play is fine and in the other plays in the montage they are also fine, the problem is the Leafs just don't battle for pucks.

Especially in the play broken down when the puck goes across there is no way the Edmonton player should end up on top of Knies, that should be a least a 50/50 puck and there's no way he should be able to move out with speed. Domi should be pressuring Edmonton skater through the neutral zone, and although he does it a little inelegantly, it's hard to say if that is his fault or a system's fault. However, it works. Edmonton get's completely crossed up and yeah they enter the zone, but they do so without speed, out formation and all bunched up. Domi gets back to his own guy and is just about to take him but Knies comes streaking back with speed and takes him. That's fine, but he's taken the center position. Domi does what he's supposed to and swaps with Knies, but then Knies doesn't take the position he's taken. Imagine if a forward covered for a D and then just wandered off back to forward before the D swapped back with him. It would be on the person holding the position.

It's not surprising, Knies is a rookie, but man that is the story of Knies making multiple mistakes and honestly Domi looks pretty good to me. The pass doesn't connect, but is dangerous and can lead to a high danger chance. More importantly, the downside is very low, until Knies just doesn't battle. If Knies battles the Leafs actually are in a good spot since the puck is basically in the opposite corner, where Edmonton doesn't have support. If Knies didn't try to take the puck and on the inside and takes the player on the outside, this looks great.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30 at 5:18 p.m.
Thread: Selling After The Break
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Beargold</b></div><div>I don't think Domi would fit the Canucks. As mentioned, he is an absolutely defensive liability and just kind of throws the puck into the slot and hopes for the best. He'd be a 4th liner at best for the Canucks and be scratched worse than Kuzmenko since Domi can't even score. Lafferty &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Domi</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>I’d much rather Bertuzzi over Domi if we make a trade with Toronto</div></div>

I think the fact he's a center actually really matters. I think him with Miller on the wing could be interesting. Miller can be elite on the wing defensively, and that would be a very heavy forecheck that would fit Tocchet's system well. Worst case scenario you move him to wing, and I think he can play in the top 6 just fine.

https://edge.nhl.com/en/compare/skaters/20232024-regular-8477503-20232024-regular-8483808

I think his speed really matches what the Canucks want to do.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 25 at 11:48 a.m.
Thread: Pitt Otta Accept
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Prime_Jimbo</b></div><div>Not necessarily a direct response to yours but...

I just don't want Van to pay Big Z Graves money on an extension. I also prefer Reilly Smith to Kuz by a wide margin. Graves with a solid, stay at home guy like Cole could be interesting. Z doesn't really match up super well with anyone on the team currently. Graves and Marino was pretty solid last year.

I get the cap space is an enviable part here (for both teams) and I see Big Z as a rental in Van. His agent, Milstein, is always talking about big $ for Z. I just don't want Van to focus on any deals but Petey and Hronek, so Graves already sorted is a + to me. Not to mention all the constant Kuz chatter. Next year would be a lot of chatter about Kuz extension... Don't want it.</div></div>

I agree we shouldn't be paying Z that money and I look at him as a rental. What I want is for him to walk. We've got lots of good bottom pair LD in the farm. I think you've got to leave room for them to make the team. Resigning Cole or looking at options like that are the way to deal with our bottom pair LD imo. But I appreciate the logic. If we didn't have Soucy, while I probably still wouldn't want Graves, but I would agree with looking for a player in that role.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Victor24</b></div><div>The problem there is the Pens are already short of defenseman. They can't trade one who has been much better as of late. It would need to be a swap like Prime suggested.</div></div>

Oops, ****ed up what I was trying to say. I meant a Kuz Smith swap with low picks to offset difference in value of there is any. If either team things value is to far apart then, no need to do it.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 24 at 8:36 p.m.
Thread: Pitt Otta Accept
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Imagine874859</b></div><div>Pens get a younger forward, one who isnt injured for that matter and is Russian which will boost chem with Geno. And Zadorov is a big physical defenseman which we lack in the defensive department, physicality wise. Everytime I see you post something you always say "pens will never trade so and so" but quite frankly that's not true at all. That's true for Crosby, maybe a few others. But not for Smith and Graves. We need a shakeup. Not saying they will 100% be traded. More likely they wont, but it's also not 100% out of the conversation</div></div>

He consistently posts direct confident bad takes with no reasoning.

Obviously, most of what is proposed here isn't happening, but just to say it's not happening for all but the most obvious bad takes contributes nothing.

There's obvious logic here for both teams lol. It's not so extremely off that it's worth dismissing off-hand.

Personally seems like a bad deal for the Canucks Graves deal looks bad and I don't think the Canucks really get an upgrade in swap although Smith looks like a better fit than Kuz. I think a straight-up swap Kuz and Graves with maybe a lower pick to balance.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 23 at 12:32 p.m.
Thread: Soucy Out 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BDHockey</b></div><div>I don't totally disagree with you, but the Debrincat trade sent Kubalik to the Sens. Definitely a downgrade, but Kubalik had scored the same amount of even strength goals the year prior as Debrincat. Sebrango is also a better prospect potentially in my opinion. If you were going to base it off Debrincat the trade would proabably be something around like unretained Buch for Hunter B., Kuzmenko, a 2024 1st, and like 3rd or 4th maybe.</div></div>

I'm not going to base it off the Debrincat trade. The point is he's way more valuable and look what he got, not this is a comp.

Wingers just aren't getting the kinds of returns expected in this post. The Toffoli comp is solid. Blake Coleman could be another comp, although a little older and before the market for wingers really crashed. It would probably suggest closer to Hunter B and a first.