Penguins pass.
No way Reilly Smith and Ryan Graves are getting traded.
Ottawa will probably accept the second trade.

Pens accept

Pens get a younger forward, one who isnt injured for that matter and is Russian which will boost chem with Geno. And Zadorov is a big physical defenseman which we lack in the defensive department, physicality wise. Everytime I see you post something you always say "pens will never trade so and so" but quite frankly that's not true at all. That's true for Crosby, maybe a few others. But not for Smith and Graves. We need a shakeup. Not saying they will 100% be traded. More likely they wont, but it's also not 100% out of the conversation

Any trade involving Kuzmenko he always says both the Canucks and the other team declines. He’s more or less a troll

TBH both of them are not going anywhere.

Id do this

Pens easily accept that.

I know it's hypothetical, but it ain't happening.
Dubas won't accept it.
The only thing he will accept is a draft pick and prospects.

for smith and graves?? No he's take this easily.... it frees up $4.5M in cap space for the penguins next season lol.

He consistently posts direct confident bad takes with no reasoning.

Obviously, most of what is proposed here isn't happening, but just to say it's not happening for all but the most obvious bad takes contributes nothing.

There's obvious logic here for both teams lol. It's not so extremely off that it's worth dismissing off-hand.

Personally seems like a bad deal for the Canucks Graves deal looks bad and I don't think the Canucks really get an upgrade in swap although Smith looks like a better fit than Kuz. I think a straight-up swap Kuz and Graves with maybe a lower pick to balance.

Not necessarily a direct response to yours but...

I just don't want Van to pay Big Z Graves money on an extension. I also prefer Reilly Smith to Kuz by a wide margin. Graves with a solid, stay at home guy like Cole could be interesting. Z doesn't really match up super well with anyone on the team currently. Graves and Marino was pretty solid last year.

I get the cap space is an enviable part here (for both teams) and I see Big Z as a rental in Van. His agent, Milstein, is always talking about big $ for Z. I just don't want Van to focus on any deals but Petey and Hronek, so Graves already sorted is a + to me. Not to mention all the constant Kuz chatter. Next year would be a lot of chatter about Kuz extension... Don't want it.

The problem there is the Pens are already short of defenseman. They can't trade one who has been much better as of late. It would need to be a swap like Prime suggested.

Graves seems to be the player we do not need IMO I'd much rather have Zadorov who is better on the PK and a lot more physical.

WTF? You can keep Graves for a start. Very happy with Z. Move on.

I agree we shouldn't be paying Z that money and I look at him as a rental. What I want is for him to walk. We've got lots of good bottom pair LD in the farm. I think you've got to leave room for them to make the team. Resigning Cole or looking at options like that are the way to deal with our bottom pair LD imo. But I appreciate the logic. If we didn't have Soucy, while I probably still wouldn't want Graves, but I would agree with looking for a player in that role.



Oops, ****ed up what I was trying to say. I meant a Kuz Smith swap with low picks to offset difference in value of there is any. If either team things value is to far apart then, no need to do it.