The case to trade Matheson and Montembeau

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Quoting: Leafsfan98

Because when I think offence, Kyle Clifford, Jake Muzzin, Nick Foligno, Mark Giodarno (version 38.5), Jake McCabe and Ryan O'Reilly come to mind

Maybe it's a perspective thing... Most of those would be offensive players on my Habs!

Feb. 5 at 9:55 a.m.

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37 year old Fleury, wasn't it?

After he won the vezina, so understandable.

Feb. 5 at 9:58 a.m.

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After he won the vezina, so understandable.

I'm not saying he's Fleury either. There is an ebb and flow to all markets. Monty is affordable, he's a starter, and he's clutch.

Put the Devils in front of him, and he's a top 16 goalie in this league without a doubt. How many starting Goalies are available?

Feb. 5 at 10:00 a.m.

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How many contending teams would he be starting on? Because I can only name 1 and that's NJ.

Feb. 5 at 10:00 a.m.

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Quoting: jonh514

1st and 2nd is more or less his value, do you dispute that?

Yes. Matheson is not worth a 1st, 2nd AND a top six winger. He's not worth a 1st or 2nd on his own either.

Feb. 5 at 10:02 a.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Yes. Matheson is not worth a 1st, 2nd AND a top six winger. He's not worth a 1st or 2nd on his own either.

Is Smith a top 6 winger. Playing with Malkin... I think almost any bottom 6 guy could manage 20 points.

Feb. 5 at 10:03 a.m.

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Edited Feb. 5 at 10:10 a.m.

Quoting: Imagine874859

How many contending teams would he be starting on? Because I can only name 1 and that's NJ.

I think you just don't want him going to the Devils because you know if he does, that's the death knell for your wildcard hopes.

Feb. 5 at 10:11 a.m.

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I think you just don't want him going to the Devils because you know if he does, that's the death knell for your wildcard hopes.

Idc where he goes because either way I don't see this team making the playoffs and if we do we arent getting past the first round lol

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Feb. 5 at 10:12 a.m.

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Trading Matheson? Yes, I fully agree we should be at least entertaining this idea. Trading Monty? I disagree with, however if someone offered us a 1st for him it would be extremely difficult to say no.

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Feb. 5 at 10:15 a.m.

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Is Smith a top 6 winger. Playing with Malkin... I think almost any bottom 6 guy could manage 20 points.

If that were the case, the Pens would have been spending $1.5M on each of his wings through his entire career. If you don't know that Smith is a top six winger in the NHL then I'm not sure we can have a conversation.

Feb. 5 at 10:20 a.m.

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Maybe it's a perspective thing... Most of those would be offensive players on my Habs!

How did Bergevin keep his job?

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Feb. 5 at 10:34 a.m.

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Matheson likely gets a similar return as Monahan, maybe a bit more. The difference is (obviously) that if Matheson goes to a bubble playoff team (like Pittsburgh), the first round pick coming back from them has a pretty good chance of being possibly 10 picks higher than the Winnipeg pick. That makes it more difficult for any bubble team to add anything other than their first round pick (in my opinion).

But people should not discount the value that Matheson has, as he is putting up good offensive numbers for a defenseman on a team that struggles mightily to score. His defensive game has not been fantastic this year, but put him out there with a good defensive defenseman on a better team and that likely gets better too.

I would love for Matheson to return a mid to late teens pick for Montreal.

As far as replacing him with a veteran to help guide Guhle, Barron, Mailloux, Harris etc, that's what Montreal can try to do in free agency in the off season. There are always some form of mentors available. That should not be a massive deterrent for Hughes to trade Matheson as far as I am concerned.

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Feb. 5 at 11:05 a.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Based on his production this year, he seems like a former top 6 winger who is quickly declining...

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That's the dumb part about TDL... IMO, Matheson>>>>Monahan and yet they'll get roughly the same amount

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Feb. 5 at 11:06 a.m.

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How did Bergevin keep his job?

No clue. The foxhole madness was funny for a while at least!

Feb. 5 at 11:07 a.m.

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No clue. The foxhole madness was funny for a while at least!

As a Leafs fan, I was extremely dissapointed the Habs didn't offer Bergevin a 20 year extension while they could have

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Feb. 5 at 11:07 a.m.

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I could be entertained by a playoff protected 1st+Vanacek for Montembault potentially.

Idk if the goalie market has him get that high in value but I think I’d like it.

Maybe if he can’t garner a 1st, a pair of 2nds+Vanacek instead

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Feb. 5 at 11:07 a.m.

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That's the dumb part about TDL... IMO, Matheson>>>>Monahan and yet they'll get roughly the same amount

Matheson "should" get more. There is not a lot of history for top 20 offensive numbers defensemen getting traded at the TDL...

Feb. 5 at 11:09 a.m.

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Quoting: dgibb10

Appreciate your insight. I agree that the Habs probably take back a player with some salary. Not sure it's a goalie though.

Feb. 5 at 11:10 a.m.

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Quoting: jonh514

Based on his production this year, he seems like a former top 6 winger who is quickly declining...

People who judge proven consistent players based on a slump show they have very little understanding of the game. People who do this, like you, judge player's careers on a game to game basis and that's just not how it goes.

It's easy to look at career stats and see the final numbers, but don't know the roads of those seasons. They just assume it was consistent all the way through.

Feb. 5 at 11:10 a.m.

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Matheson "should" get more. There is not a lot of history for top 20 offensive numbers defensemen getting traded at the TDL...

I get that, that's why I called the TDL dumb

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Feb. 5 at 11:11 a.m.

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Idc where he goes because either way I don't see this team making the playoffs and if we do we arent getting past the first round lol

I agree. I, like a lot of Habs, have been a fan of Crosby/Letang and co for a lot of years. It hurts to see the decline and I wanted them all to get their "last dance", which seems unlikely now.

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Feb. 5 at 11:15 a.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Commentors who judge other proven consistent commentors on this site based on one comment or post they dislike, like you, often make things personal when they are losing an argument.

Feb. 5 at 11:33 a.m.

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