REALISTIC Saros trade w Buffalo

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Quoting: Leafsleaks123

I understand what you're saying but he's been a top 5 goalie like 4 years in a row before this year and is on a fantastic contract. Definately a lot more likely he bounces back then just randomly falls off a cliff at 28

1- that’s a risky GUESS you’re making
2- especially when he’s due a big contract after next season

Feb. 23 at 4:09 p.m.

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Not even close. and thats fine. I like having both goalies.

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Feb. 23 at 4:10 p.m.

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

Well that’s an emotional “homer” take if I’ve ever heard one
No one- NO ONE- is gonna give up the farm for a goalie,
let alone one having a down season
Not happening, sorry

Never said I wasn't a homer. But everything I said was true.

I never once said any team would give up the farm or even make the trade, just that it's not impossible simply because it's never happened before. The Preds have their asking price and it's up to the other teams to meet it if they want Saros.

Feb. 23 at 4:10 p.m.

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Quoting: fangm

Saros isn't being traded.

Nashville wants to charge like he's a top 3 goalie in the league.

He's been a bottom 5 goalie this year. No team is paying that price when they don't know what they are getting.

Saros hasn’t been close to a bottom 5 goalie this season. Korpisalo, Vanecek, Gustavsson, Fleury, Samsonov, Vasilevskiy, Oettinger, Georgiev, Merzlikins are just some goalies that have been worse than Saros this year

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Feb. 23 at 4:11 p.m.

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Quoting: Nash

Not even close. and thats fine. I like having both goalies.

My point was NEVER that u guys SHOULD trade him
It was that your ask was absurd & unrealistic

Feb. 23 at 4:11 p.m.

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

And yet still a step down from what he normally is

It was literally the best season of his career

Feb. 23 at 4:12 p.m.

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Quoting: nativewulf

No, everything u said wasn’t “true”
It was your OPINION

I’m sorry if u don’t realize the difference,
but there is one

Feb. 23 at 4:13 p.m.

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Quoting: mv21227

It was literally the best season of his career

Better than the year before when he finished higher in Vezina voting
And better than the year before that when he set his career high for save%

Hmmmmmm…..

Feb. 23 at 4:15 p.m.

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

No, everything u said wasn’t “true”
It was your OPINION

I’m sorry if u don’t realize the difference,
but there is one

The only part that was my opinion was him being a top 6 goalie in the league which may not objectively be true this year, but would be a common opinion among a number of people including the 32 GMs of the NHL

Feb. 23 at 4:17 p.m.

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Quoting: nativewulf

Lol, now you’re giving your opinion about your GUESS on what 32 GMs would think

Just digger yourself deeper & deeper, with little to no “truth”

Feb. 23 at 4:17 p.m.

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

Better than the year before when he finished higher in Vezina voting
And better than the year before that when he set his career high for save%

Hmmmmmm…..

20/21: 20.51 GSAA, 7.75 GSAx, .927 SV%
21/22: 21.43 GSAA, 12.6 GSAx, .918 SV%
22/23: 29.4 GSAA, 45.49 GSAx, .919 SV%

Yes, last season was definitely the best year of his career

Feb. 23 at 4:18 p.m.

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Quoting: Leafsleaks123

If it was any other position I'd agree, but nobody is taking this risk on a goalie. Jones just feel off at 28 after being an all-star goalie for years, Murray did the same at 26, Campbell did it at 30, It's just a desperate risk to take.

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Feb. 23 at 4:19 p.m.

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Quoting: mv21227

20/21: 20.51 GSAA, 7.75 GSAx, .927 SV%
21/22: 21.43 GSAA, 12.6 GSAx, .918 SV%
22/23: 29.4 GSAA, 45.49 GSAx, .919 SV%

Yes, last season was definitely the best year of his career

By some metrics, and by some it was not
U seem to be confusing fact with your opinion

Feb. 23 at 4:22 p.m.

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

By some metrics, and by some it was not
U seem to be confusing fact with your opinion

By what metrics was it not? It was his best season statistically, especially in GSAx where he had a historically great season. Yes his SV% was a bit worse than 20/21 but GP is also a factor there

Feb. 23 at 4:24 p.m.

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Quoting: AntiAnalytics

Lol, now you’re giving your opinion about your GUESS on what 32 GMs would think

Just digger yourself deeper & deeper, with little to no “truth”

I don't have to guess. GUESS who votes on the Vezina trophy? 32 NHL GMs. And Saros was 4th last year. So even in a down year I doubt their opinion of him has fallen that much.

I've given you truth. You just don't want to admit that both of our opinions have merit.

Feb. 23 at 4:24 p.m.

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Quoting: mv21227

By Goals Saves above Expected the only starting goalies worse than him this year are Samsonov, Korpisalo, Vanecek, Gustavsson.

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Feb. 23 at 4:25 p.m.

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Quoting: mv21227

By what metrics was it not? It was his best season statistically, especially in GSAx where he had a historically great season. Yes his SV% was a bit worse than 20/21 but GP is also a factor there

U literally answered your own question there pal
It’s ok to calm down & take a breath before u respond

Feb. 23 at 4:26 p.m.

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Quoting: fangm

By Goals Saves above Expected the only starting goalies worse than him this year are Samsonov, Korpisalo, Vanecek, Gustavsson.

Uh oh @mv21227…..
look at that, MORE stats that don’t support your OPINION

Feb. 23 at 4:27 p.m.

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Quoting: nativewulf

Fluery went from winning the Vezina to falling out of the top 10 in voting the next year. Even if you assume he fell from 1 to 11, not a stretch to say in a year that that Saros could fall from 4 to 15 and suddenly he's not worth more than a 2nd.

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Feb. 23 at 4:28 p.m.

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Quoting: fangm

By Goals Saves above Expected the only starting goalies worse than him this year are Samsonov, Korpisalo, Vanecek, Gustavsson.

He ranks 31st out of 87 goalies in GSAx this season. Among goalies with 25+ GP he’s ahead of Thompson, Merzlikins, Georgiev, Kuemper, Kochetkov, Hart, Dostal, Oettinger, Vasilevskiy, Fleury, Vejmelka, Wedgewood, Samsonov, Gustavsson, Vanecek, and Korpisalo

Feb. 23 at 4:29 p.m.

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Uh oh mv21227…..
look at that, MORE stats that don’t support your OPINION

Except he’s actually 31st out of 87 goalies in GSAx this season, and among goalies with 25+ GP he’s ahead of Thompson, Merzlikins, Georgiev, Kuemper, Kochetkov, Hart, Dostal, Oettinger, Vasilevskiy, Fleury, Vejmelka, Wedgewood, Samsonov, Gustavsson, Vanecek, and Korpisalo

Feb. 23 at 4:30 p.m.

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Quoting: mv21227

Might just be me….
but ranking “31st” sure doesn’t sound too elite to me

Feb. 23 at 4:32 p.m.

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And he’s BEHIND how many?
Oh yeah, THIRTY

Hmmmmmmm….?

Feb. 23 at 4:34 p.m.

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Might just be me….
but ranking “31st” sure doesn’t sound too elite to me

We’ve been clear that this has been a down season for Saros. But one down season doesn’t mean he’s not elite anymore.

For example, since you’re a Buffalo fan I’ll use their players, do the down seasons Thompson and Cozens are having mean their values have crashed to a 2nd round pick and a 4th line player, and that they’ll never bounce back to what they did last season?

Feb. 23 at 4:34 p.m.

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