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Created by: Redmile04
Team: 2023-24 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Feb. 25, 2024
Published: Feb. 25, 2024
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Saw this on NHL trade talk
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. Holtz, Alexander
  2. Vanecek, Vitek
  3. 2024 1st round pick (NJD)
  4. 2025 3rd round pick (NJD)
NJD
  1. Markström, Jacob
Additional Details:
Reluctantly Retains 1,500,000 of remaining contract.
2.
CGY
  1. 2024 1st round pick (EDM)
EDM
  1. Tanev, Christopher
Additional Details:
Retained 50% of expiring Contract
3.
CGY
  1. Lundell, Anton
  2. Sawchyn, Gracyn [Reserve List]
  3. 2024 3rd round pick (FLA)
FLA
  1. Hanifin, Noah
  2. Kerins, Rory
Additional Details:
Sign and trade 8 x 56 million. Retained 25% of expiring Contract for Hanifin.
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
24$83,500,000$73,795,833$0$1,912,500$9,704,167
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 8
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$3,100,000$3,100,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 4
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$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, LW
RFA - 2
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
C
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
RW
RFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333
LW
RFA - 1
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$825,000$825,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$775,000$775,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$2,300,000$2,300,000
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 8
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$3,400,000$3,400,000
G
UFA - 2
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
RD
RFA - 2
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$2,200,000$2,200,000
G
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
LD
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$762,500$762,500
RW, LW
UFA - 1

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Feb. 25 at 7:49 p.m.
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I don't see Flames ownership signing off on trading to Tanev to Edmonton and then paying him to play for the Oilers.
Feb. 25 at 7:50 p.m.
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$56 million x 8 years?
(Assuming that is $7m x 8 years = $56m)

If they also retain 25%…they would on the hook for $1.75m x 8 years in retention.
Feb. 25 at 7:52 p.m.
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And the cost to retain $1.5m x 2.2 years ($3.3m) should not equal 1st+2nd+Vanecek. More like a 3rd round pick.
Feb. 25 at 7:57 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
$56 million x 8 years?
(Assuming that is $7m x 8 years = $56m)

If they also retain 25%…they would on the hook for $1.75m x 8 years in retention.


Retained on expiring Contract
Feb. 25 at 7:58 p.m.
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And the cost to retain $1.5m x 2.2 years ($3.3m) should not equal 1st+2nd+Vanecek. More like a 3rd round pick.


Vanecek +a 3rd for retaining 1.5 mill of Markstrom expiring Contract?
Feb. 25 at 8:00 p.m.
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I don't see Flames ownership signing off on trading to Tanev to Edmonton and then paying him to play for the Oilers.


Edmonton can't afford tanev without retention. Unless they add something to the 2024 1st.
Feb. 25 at 8:02 p.m.
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Vanecek +a 3rd for retaining 1.5 mill of Markstrom expiring Contract?


So what does the 1st pay for?
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Feb. 25 at 8:06 p.m.
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Retained on expiring Contract


If it is a “sign and trade”…the retention is applied when the trade is executed so would apply all remaining salary due (current contract and extension).

Would have to be extension in place…or no retention. The acquiring team can still extend 8 years if he is on roster at deadline.
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Feb. 25 at 8:16 p.m.
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Edmonton can't afford tanev without retention. Unless they add something to the 2024 1st.


I highly doubt they will trade Tanev to Edmonton unless they get an absolute haul. They're your biggest rival, you need some incentive to help them.
Feb. 25 at 8:53 p.m.
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I highly doubt they will trade Tanev to Edmonton unless they get an absolute haul. They're your biggest rival, you need some incentive to help them.


We traded lindholm to Vancouver. Lucic trade?
Feb. 25 at 9:28 p.m.
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We traded lindholm to Vancouver. Lucic trade?


Lucic for Neal was a disaster for a disaster.

The Lindholm trade got them a significant haul and they didn't retain. If Edmonton gives them a haul sure.
Feb. 26 at 12:17 a.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
And the cost to retain $1.5m x 2.2 years ($3.3m) should not equal 1st+2nd+Vanecek. More like a 3rd round pick.


that isn't remotely close to market value, it'd cost a 1st
Feb. 26 at 12:18 a.m.
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Quoting: AdamL188
that isn't remotely close to market value, it'd cost a 1st


retaining 1.5 mill AAV would not cost a 1st lmao
Feb. 26 at 12:19 a.m.
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retaining 1.5 mill AAV would not cost a 1st lmao


for 2.5 years
Feb. 26 at 12:19 a.m.
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for 2.5 years


thats 4 million
Feb. 26 at 12:20 a.m.
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for 2.5 years


1.5 in deadline retention is going to cost like a 5th.

Over a full year a 3rd, and a 3rd again for the next full year.

3rd+3rd+5th at most,
Feb. 26 at 12:21 a.m.
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1.5 in deadline retention is going to cost like a 5th.

Over a full year a 3rd, and a 3rd again for the next full year.

3rd+3rd+5th at most,


yeah that's about fair imo
maybe 2nd 3rd 4th
Feb. 26 at 12:23 a.m.
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that isn't remotely close to market value, it'd cost a 1st


$1.5m x 2.2 = $3.3m.

So ~ 3rd + 5th
Feb. 26 at 12:26 a.m.
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yeah that's about fair imo
maybe 2nd 3rd 4th


2nd+4th at the highest for that retention.

for a 1st I'd argue it has to be somewhere between 2 mill and 2.5 mill AAV in retention
Feb. 26 at 7:11 p.m.
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2nd+4th at the highest for that retention.

for a 1st I'd argue it has to be somewhere between 2 mill and 2.5 mill AAV in retention


that seems fair, probably the 1st time a compromise has ever been reached on capfriendly
Feb. 26 at 7:35 p.m.
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that seems fair, probably the 1st time a compromise has ever been reached on capfriendly


Always easier to deal in picks than prospects/players.

No attachment so I always prefer to speak about values in terms of picks.

I’d pay approximately 2 1sts for a 50% retained Markstrom or whatever that looks like in equivalent assets.
 
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