Rebuilding while staying competitive

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$83,500,000	$69,205,000	$20,000	$1,457,500	$14,295,000

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Ovechkin, Alex $9,500,000$9,500,000 LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Necas, Martin $3,000,000$3,000,000 RW RFA - 1	Wilson, Tom $5,166,667$5,166,667 RW M-NTC UFA - 1
Protas, Aliaksei $789,167$789,167 ($82,500$82K) RW, LW, C UFA - 1	McMichael, Connor $863,333$863,333 LW, C RFA - 1	Oshie, T.J. $5,750,000$5,750,000 RW M-NTC UFA - 2
Kaliyev, Arthur $894,167$894,167 ($212,500$212K) RW, LW RFA - 1	Lapierre, Hendrix $863,333$863,333 ($232,500$232K) C RFA - 2	Johansen, Ryan $4,000,000$4,000,000 C, RW UFA - 2
Malenstyn, Beck $762,500$762,500 C, LW RFA - 1	Sgarbossa, Michael $775,000$775,000 C UFA - 2	Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas $1,225,000$1,225,000 RW UFA - 1
		Dubé, Pierrick $870,000$870,000 ($80,000$80K) RW RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Byram, Bowen $3,850,000$3,850,000 LD/RD RFA - 2	Carlson, John $8,000,000$8,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Kuemper, Darcy $5,250,000$5,250,000 G M-NTC UFA - 4
Sandin, Rasmus $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD UFA - 1	van Riemsdyk, Trevor $3,000,000$3,000,000 RD UFA - 3	Raanta, Antti $1,500,000$1,500,000 G UFA - 1
Broberg, Philip $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) LD RFA - 1	Bear, Ethan $2,062,500$2,062,500 RD UFA - 2
	Deangelo, Anthony $1,675,000$1,675,000 RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Bäckström, Nicklas $9,200,000$9,200,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2

Mar. 3 at 11:25 a.m.

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The Kaliyev & Broberg trades make sense, not a fan of the other trades.

Mar. 3 at 11:45 a.m.

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Canes pass, doesn't really make us any better right now.

Mar. 3 at 11:47 a.m.

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Why would we give up 4 players and 2 first rounders for a guy sent to the AHL this year, a horrible and toxic player in Deangelo, and 1 good 2nd liner

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Mar. 3 at 11:54 a.m.

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Quoting: Capitals_O

The Kaliyev & Broberg trades make sense, not a fan of the other trades.

Kings don't have cap space

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Mar. 3 at 12:08 p.m.

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Quoting: MMB

Kings don't have cap space

Fair enough

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Mar. 3 at 12:26 p.m.

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Quoting: MMB

Kings don't have cap space

Quoting: Capitals_O

Fair enough

Caps can find a team for a late round pick to retain 1M

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Mar. 3 at 1:35 p.m.

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What about that package actually makes the Canes better? Swapping Raanta and Lindgren is whatever, but the Canes aren’t in any need for a goalie. TDA has been fine this season. I’m guessing his inclusion would be for contract limits. Alexeyev really doesn’t do much for the Canes, and neither does Milano. Jensen is definitely interesting, and so are the 2 1sts, but again, doesn’t really make the Canes any better now, and actively worsens the offense problem.

If Necas is moved, it’s for a forward upgrade with term. If a team is only going to offer futures, I would imagine since it’s not helpful now, the package would have to be a bit more of an overpayment to really get the Canes to bite. Canes need Necas’ offense now more than they need a pile of futures.

Mar. 3 at 1:44 p.m.

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Quoting: GM_MZ_WSH

Why would we give up 4 players and 2 first rounders for a guy sent to the AHL this year, a horrible and toxic player in Deangelo, and 1 good 2nd liner

Deangelo is a cap dump who’ll be off the roster ASAP, it was just to handle the Canes cap space as Necas definitely has 1C upside and had 70+ points last season. My opinion is that he’s worth that price. Question is if that’s enough for Canes to pull the trigger.

Mar. 3 at 2:28 p.m.

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Quoting: evelutions2

What about that package actually makes the Canes better? Swapping Raanta and Lindgren is whatever, but the Canes aren’t in any need for a goalie. TDA has been fine this season. I’m guessing his inclusion would be for contract limits. Alexeyev really doesn’t do much for the Canes, and neither does Milano. Jensen is definitely interesting, and so are the 2 1sts, but again, doesn’t really make the Canes any better now, and actively worsens the offense problem.

If Necas is moved, it’s for a forward upgrade with term. If a team is only going to offer futures, I would imagine since it’s not helpful now, the package would have to be a bit more of an overpayment to really get the Canes to bite. Canes need Necas’ offense now more than they need a pile of futures.

I won’t argue against you because I’m sure you know the Canes better than me. And it may not be an instant upgrade like you said.
I don’t think that forward is available though (unless you have someone in mind?). But Jarvis to the 2nd line and Milano on the 3rd, with Orlov/Jensen as 3rd pair seems like at least not a worse lineup. Lindgren has been steeling games all season behind a really up and down Caps team. He’d probably be the 2nd best backup in the playoffs if he isn’t outplaying Kotchetkov.
I haven’t seen Raanta this year but is he reliable enough to step in if Kotchetkov is injured?

But if there’s a better offer or the Canes like to go into the offseason with the uncertainty of having to fit Teravainen, Necas, Drury, Martinook, Pesce, Skeji, Jarvis, Noesen, a backup goalie and one more player with $32M then this doesn’t make sense.
Milano at 1.9M, Lindgren at 1.1M and Jensen at 4.05M adds certainties going forward and allows the Canes to play a a little more hard ball in negotiations.

Mar. 3 at 2:51 p.m.

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Quoting: MW6

I won’t argue against you because I’m sure you know the Canes better than me. And it may not be an instant upgrade like you said.
I don’t think that forward is available though (unless you have someone in mind?). But Jarvis to the 2nd line and Milano on the 3rd, with Orlov/Jensen as 3rd pair seems like at least not a worse lineup. Lindgren has been steeling games all season behind a really up and down Caps team. He’d probably be the 2nd best backup in the playoffs if he isn’t outplaying Kotchetkov.
I haven’t seen Raanta this year but is he reliable enough to step in if Kotchetkov is injured?

But if there’s a better offer or the Canes like to go into the offseason with the uncertainty of having to fit Teravainen, Necas, Drury, Martinook, Pesce, Skeji, Jarvis, Noesen, a backup goalie and one more player with $32M then this doesn’t make sense.
Milano at 1.9M, Lindgren at 1.1M and Jensen at 4.05M adds certainties going forward and allows the Canes to play a a little more hard ball in negotiations.

For the goalies, Kochetkov has been amazing, particularly since the new year. Martin has been an insane pickup off the waiver wire, especially with the quality opponents he has been played against, and Freddie is expected to be back around now. So assuming they move Raanta, Lindgren isn’t going to be playing, so it doesn’t make sense to bring in a goalie. Jensen would be a decent pickup, though I would imagine the Canes would like salary retention to mitigate some of the risk that his age brings, as well as open up a little more cap space. Again those 2 1sts are nice, but unless the Canes use them in a trade, they don’t help now. The Canes biggest problem in the playoffs is offense drying up, though a healthy roster should help the Canes this year. But if the Canes do this, who are they replacing Necas’ offense (70+ points) with? Milano if the canes are lucky might put up 20-25 points. That is still about a 50 point drop off that isn’t being replaced.

Cup windows are finite, whether they are long or short is up to management. Canes want as long of a cup window as they can get. If the Canes don’t move Necas for a forward upgrade, like they need, then a futures package would have to be a considerable overpayment rather than just keeping Necas, especially if it’s a move within the division. Outside of Jensen, the Canes wouldn’t be acquiring much certainty at all with regards as to what they are giving up.

Mar. 3 at 3:33 p.m.

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Quoting: evelutions2

For the goalies, Kochetkov has been amazing, particularly since the new year. Martin has been an insane pickup off the waiver wire, especially with the quality opponents he has been played against, and Freddie is expected to be back around now. So assuming they move Raanta, Lindgren isn’t going to be playing, so it doesn’t make sense to bring in a goalie. Jensen would be a decent pickup, though I would imagine the Canes would like salary retention to mitigate some of the risk that his age brings, as well as open up a little more cap space. Again those 2 1sts are nice, but unless the Canes use them in a trade, they don’t help now. The Canes biggest problem in the playoffs is offense drying up, though a healthy roster should help the Canes this year. But if the Canes do this, who are they replacing Necas’ offense (70+ points) with? Milano if the canes are lucky might put up 20-25 points. That is still about a 50 point drop off that isn’t being replaced.

Cup windows are finite, whether they are long or short is up to management. Canes want as long of a cup window as they can get. If the Canes don’t move Necas for a forward upgrade, like they need, then a futures package would have to be a considerable overpayment rather than just keeping Necas, especially if it’s a move within the division. Outside of Jensen, the Canes wouldn’t be acquiring much certainty at all with regards as to what they are giving up.

All fair points, it’ll be interesting to see how things shake out for the Canes this offseason.

From your point of view, is there a trade with that Caps that moves Necas to the Caps with Ryan Leonard as the only untouchable piece?

Mar. 3 at 3:54 p.m.

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All fair points, it’ll be interesting to see how things shake out for the Canes this offseason.

From your point of view, is there a trade with that Caps that moves Necas to the Caps with Ryan Leonard as the only untouchable piece?

Considering where the Caps currently are, they don’t have any roster players who would make sense to move Necas for. The only prospects that would draw serious interest from the Canes would likely be between Cristall and Leonard, and the Caps are unlikely to move either. Realistically, I don’t think there is deal where both teams end up happy. Besides, the Caps acquiring Necas really doesn’t make sense with how they are entering a rebuild.

Mar. 3 at 4:13 p.m.

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Considering where the Caps currently are, they don’t have any roster players who would make sense to move Necas for. The only prospects that would draw serious interest from the Canes would likely be between Cristall and Leonard, and the Caps are unlikely to move either. Realistically, I don’t think there is deal where both teams end up happy. Besides, the Caps acquiring Necas really doesn’t make sense with how they are entering a rebuild.

What about something around Tom Wilson for Necas?

Mar. 3 at 4:37 p.m.

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What about something around Tom Wilson for Necas?

With Wilson being the next Caps captain, he is unlikely to be traded. The only upgrade that Wilson would be over Necas would be physicality, and frankly, with his contract, it’s just not worth it. I don’t see the Canes and Caps being trade partners for Necas. Between not being in a position to trade away high end assets and not having the assets the Canes would want, I don’t think there is a fit.

Mar. 3 at 4:47 p.m.

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With Wilson being the next Caps captain, he is unlikely to be traded. The only upgrade that Wilson would be over Necas would be physicality, and frankly, with his contract, it’s just not worth it. I don’t see the Canes and Caps being trade partners for Necas. Between not being in a position to trade away high end assets and not having the assets the Canes would want, I don’t think there is a fit.

I understand it’s unlikely as well, I’m thinking purely value wise.
This is just for fun you know, are you not gonna suggest a counterproposal?

That physicality and leadership along with being a great PK’er, giving teammates more courage, getting opponents to focus on wrong things might be exactly what the Canes need in the playoffs.

Mar. 3 at 5:20 p.m.

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Quoting: MW6

I understand it’s unlikely as well, I’m thinking purely value wise.
This is just for fun you know, are you not gonna suggest a counterproposal?

That physicality and leadership along with being a great PK’er, giving teammates more courage, getting opponents to focus on wrong things might be exactly what the Canes need in the playoffs.

The problem is the Canes need offense in the playoffs. Wilson doesn’t provide that much offense. How about Wilson, Cristall, and a 1st for Necas (with 8x7mil extension), Ponomarev, TDA (cap purposes), Gunler, and Heimosalmi?

Mar. 3 at 5:31 p.m.

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The problem is the Canes need offense in the playoffs. Wilson doesn’t provide that much offense. How about Wilson, Cristall, and a 1st for Necas (with 8x7mil extension), Ponomarev, TDA (cap purposes), Gunler, and Heimosalmi?

The thing with Wilson is the he isn’t always the one putting up the points, but he causes turnovers, screens goalies, makes defenders caugh up the puck because they’re scared of getting hit. So he generates team-offense.

Cristall is a hard sell (not impossible) with the season he’s having, and I don’t know anything about the additional pieces added so to me it just make things really messy and hard to gauge. Is it possible to scale it down? I like the foundation though. Is that what Necas is rumored to be asking for in his next contract?

Mar. 3 at 5:47 p.m.

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The thing with Wilson is the he isn’t always the one putting up the points, but he causes turnovers, screens goalies, makes defenders caugh up the puck because they’re scared of getting hit. So he generates team-offense.

Cristall is a hard sell (not impossible) with the season he’s having, and I don’t know anything about the additional pieces added so to me it just make things really messy and hard to gauge. Is it possible to scale it down? I like the foundation though. Is that what Necas is rumored to be asking for in his next contract?

How I was breaking it down was Wilson and a 1st for Necas with an extension. 8 years at somewhere around 6-7.5mil is likely what he gets. As for the rest, Cristall for Ponomarev, Gunler, and Heimosalmi. Ponomarev is a quality C prospect, likely ends up as a 2C, but he might have low end 1C potential. Gunler is a decent winger who has middle 6/2nd line upside, and Heimosalmi is projected to be a pure shutdown D. Canes might have to add a bit to get Cristall though.

Mar. 3 at 6:14 p.m.

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Makes more sense now, but in my mind that’s two separate trades with the second one feeling unnecessary at least for now with so many players still finding out who they are and how good they’ll be. And frankly, an extension in place for Necas is nice, but not necessary since they’ll hold his rights and can negotiate on their own. Wilson and a 1st sounds a little rich for Necas, but if Canes add a 2nd I’m fine with it. How does that sound?

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