Edited Mar. 7 at 10:55 a.m.
Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
You are wrong on every point here.
You keep knocking vegas as if Brisson and Dorofeyev can't be moved.
Kapanan was a very highly respected draft pick, more so than say Othmann. when they moved him for kessel.
So don't tell me the penguins didn't empty the cupboards, they did.
You seem hurt by the fact you can't fleece teams.
You been playing too much NHL 2024.
You aren't the only team with pieces to trade. If you want a guy who nets 40 goals you are going to pay to get him.
You seem to think the pressure is on the penguins. It's not.
When you make a weak offer, they don't "miss out" on something by not doing business with you.
You however do miss out on improving a team who's core is aging that they have spent a lot of money on to try to win a cup.
You don't have many years left to realistically do that. I can tell you now if the penguins Have Sid Malkin and Letang and the cup window closed at about 35,
You can bet Panarin and Kreider as your two best goal scorers being 32 ain't going to fair much better.
So what are you going to do with your window?
Be too cheap to take a real shot at it. Win nothing, and they realize the "untouchable" prospects turn out to be like Kakko.
Or move them for a proven guy and make a run for the cup before you are rebuilding. Because I hate to break it to you, the league isn't going to hand you any more gifts after giving you a 10a and 20a simply because NY is a big market team. You got your shots at that. Turns out they aren't franchise level players.
Oh that's why Kapanen was on TSNs top prospect rankings in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018.. oh wait he wasn't. Because while he was a decent prospect, he was never a top prospect. He may have been for Pittsburgh, but that speaks more to the quality of the drafting by the team and the prospect pool you had at the time. You say they "emptied the cupboards" but that's one prospect. You held onto Guentzel didn't you? Tampa held onto Point, Cirelli, Sergachev, Foote didn't they (Specifically during McDonagh/Miller trade)? St Louis held onto Kyrou and Thomas didn't they? Teams that win cups generally keep the specific top tier prospects they have.
https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-30-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.183391
https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.436669
https://www.tsn.ca/who-are-the-best-players-not-skating-in-the-nhl-1.677389
https://www.tsn.ca/cupboard-is-stocked-for-up-and-coming-canucks-1.989909
Perreault was 7th this year (D+1)
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/cutter-gauthier-alexander-nikishin-lead-craig-button-s-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-list-1.2079455
Othmann was 12th in 2022 (D+1)
https://www.tsn.ca/buffalo-sabres-d-owen-power-craig-button-s-annual-top-prospects-list-1.1784411
Now I can try to educate you on the business side of hockey. Something you may not (and do not seem to) grasp.
I would bet money that Pens will 100% trade him by the deadline tomorrow. I do not see them risking him walking in UFA. As you said, Pens have an aging core so they need to acquire as many assets for the future as possible. So there is plenty of pressure on the Pens. If they keep too high of a price for too long, teams will go to their backup options (Duclair, Buchnevich, Toffoli, Eberle, Vatrano, etc). The more teams that back out, the less of a market there is for a player, lowering the competition, lowering the price. Dubas is going to do the best possible to get the best package, but in the end, he will accept the top offer still out there. Whether or not its up to your (lofty) standards, is another question.
Right now there are four teams in on Guentzel-- Carolina (who never makes the big swing), Vancouver (who would need a third party to trade Lindholm as reported), Vegas (who already traded for Mantha AND Hanfin), and NYR.
It's already been reported that NYR declined Henrique & Vatrano (retention was involved) for Kakko & 1st. They just aren't going to overpay. Which likely mean names like Othmann & Perreault are just off the table.
We will see what Guentzel goes for, but I would bet that it's not going to be up to what you have been saying.
You can keep responding if you wish, but I'm done with you.
**EDIT** Vancouver is also signing Kessel so they are likely out as they appear to have gone elsewhere for a winger