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If JT was not on the team next season

Created by: Brad_Treliving
Team: 2024-25 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 20, 2024
Published: Mar. 20, 2024
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Can't believe Dubas gave a 3C (who should be a healthy scratch) $11M
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Mar. 20 at 8:35 a.m.
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Edited Mar. 20 at 8:46 a.m.
Tavares certainly is a 2C on the Leafs and shouldn't be a scratch.
Haven't you just signed a 3C to be a 2C?
Minten, Cowaan and Hildeby all Leafs next October?
Mar. 20 at 8:36 a.m.
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Unfortunately not going to happen.

But you realize you have no offense on the blueline besides Reilly though right?

Benoit and Edmundsen probably dont reach 10 pts, Pesce and McCabe are generally only around 20 pts and Roy is about 30 at most.

And I know the usual argument is that we have more then "enough offense at forward", maybe not with that lineup (3 rookies/young guys) and a 4th line of muckers.
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Mar. 20 at 8:39 a.m.
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I would definitely scratch him for Reaves
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Mar. 20 at 8:40 a.m.
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Unfortunately not going to happen.

But you realize you have no offense on the blueline besides Reilly though right?

Benoit and Edmundsen probably dont reach 10 pts, Pesce and McCabe are generally only around 20 pts and Roy is about 30 at most.

And I know the usual argument is that we have more then "enough offense at forward", maybe not with that lineup (3 rookies/young guys) and a 4th line of muckers.


He's doing a bit
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Mar. 20 at 9:00 a.m.
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Unfortunately not going to happen.

But you realize you have no offense on the blueline besides Reilly though right?

Benoit and Edmundsen probably dont reach 10 pts, Pesce and McCabe are generally only around 20 pts and Roy is about 30 at most.

And I know the usual argument is that we have more then "enough offense at forward", maybe not with that lineup (3 rookies/young guys) and a 4th line of muckers.


You do know this isn't a soft Dubas run team anymore right? We went with PMD in Klingberg, Liljegren, Barrie, Brodie, and Timmins and look how they all panned out (all outside of Klingberg coming from Dubas). Tre understands defense and will bring in guys who know how to play the right way

As for 4th line muckers, exactly what this team needs. I would also love to see Reavo get a permanent spot back
Mar. 20 at 9:02 a.m.
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Tavares certainly is a 2C on the Leafs and shouldn't be a scratch.
Haven't you just signed a 3C to be a 2C?
Minten, Cowaan and Hildeby all Leafs next October?


He's just seeking attention
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Mar. 20 at 9:03 a.m.
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He's just seeking attention


Nope, can't stand the stupid signings Dubas has made that still haunts this team. Who even thinks about the idea of giving a 3C $11M??
Mar. 20 at 9:07 a.m.
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Nope, can't stand the stupid signings Dubas has made that still haunts this team. Who even thinks about the idea of giving a 3C $11M??


Tavares is 39th among centres in points per game this season. Your logic (hatred) of Tavares being a 3C just holds no valid argument.
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Mar. 20 at 9:13 a.m.
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Tavares is 39th among centres in points per game this season. Your logic (hatred) of Tavares being a 3C just holds no valid argument.


In year 6 of the contract too. No mention of years 1-5.

His life must be so sad to do this
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Mar. 20 at 9:25 a.m.
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Quoting: palhal
Tavares is 39th among centres in points per game this season. Your logic (hatred) of Tavares being a 3C just holds no valid argument.


Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
In year 6 of the contract too. No mention of years 1-5.

His life must be so sad to do this


He's not completly wrong though. John Tavares is nowhere near and $11M dollar player. Lets be honest, 39th in centers in point per game mean he's not THAT good. At this stage in his career, I would say he's more of a 5-6M$ player, and I honestly think Stephenson in Vegas is better than Tavares right now. But I would definitely worry about Stephenson outside of Vegas. Look at the guy in Washington.
Mar. 20 at 9:54 a.m.
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Quoting: SadSensFan14
He's not completly wrong though. John Tavares is nowhere near and $11M dollar player. Lets be honest, 39th in centers in point per game mean he's not THAT good. At this stage in his career, I would say he's more of a 5-6M$ player, and I honestly think Stephenson in Vegas is better than Tavares right now. But I would definitely worry about Stephenson outside of Vegas. Look at the guy in Washington.


There is a difference what a player earns and what his position on the team is.......Tavares is a 2C but currently overpaid. 39th in centres in definitely 2C. You're right about Stephenson, is he a lesser player outside of Vegas? But look at the UFAs in this post. The big name signings take the players to age 35. Are they going to be as effective they get older? Admitting the cap hit isn't as much

Tavares and his signing was "fair" at the time. Covid and the minimal cap increase over the course the signing has been factor in making the contract look bad.
Even Muzzin was resigned in February 2020, just before Covid hit March 2020. Certainly he wouldn't be getting 5.825 if the Leafs had known the cap would be have been somewhat flat.

There is much too much criticism of the Leafs spending and their cap allotment. Most teams spend to the cap. even non playoff teams. Isn't that much worse? How about the Sens next season.
Currently they spend near the cap. Next season Sanderson goes from 1m to 9m.? Are the Sens going to be better when one player gets a 8m raise and the cap rises just 4.5m?
Mar. 20 at 10:04 a.m.
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You do know this isn't a soft Dubas run team anymore right? We went with PMD in Klingberg, Liljegren, Barrie, Brodie, and Timmins and look how they all panned out (all outside of Klingberg coming from Dubas). Tre understands defense and will bring in guys who know how to play the right way

As for 4th line muckers, exactly what this team needs. I would also love to see Reavo get a permanent spot back


up until this year brodie was the leafs most reliable d
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Nope, can't stand the stupid signings Dubas has made that still haunts this team. Who even thinks about the idea of giving a 3C $11M??


why are dubas teams better than tres though?
Mar. 20 at 10:14 a.m.
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Quoting: SadSensFan14
He's not completly wrong though. John Tavares is nowhere near and $11M dollar player. Lets be honest, 39th in centers in point per game mean he's not THAT good. At this stage in his career, I would say he's more of a 5-6M$ player, and I honestly think Stephenson in Vegas is better than Tavares right now. But I would definitely worry about Stephenson outside of Vegas. Look at the guy in Washington.


5-6 mill is simply not true... Tavares is still on pace to crack 65 points while being 54% on draws... In year 6/7 of his contract... Considering ROR's contract being a good one, getting 4.5... JT's worth 7-8 on the ice....

Then add on being the leader and captain and he contributions off the ice and he's still worth 9-9.5 mill which, again, isn't bad as he's in year 6 of 7
Mar. 20 at 10:15 a.m.
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up until this year brodie was the leafs most reliable d

why are dubas teams better than tres though?


You mean Tres team is in a playoff spot and Dubas' team isn't?
Mar. 20 at 11:00 a.m.
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There is a difference what a player earns and what his position on the team is.......Tavares is a 2C but currently overpaid. 39th in centres in definitely 2C. You're right about Stephenson, is he a lesser player outside of Vegas? But look at the UFAs in this post. The big name signings take the players to age 35. Are they going to be as effective they get older? Admitting the cap hit isn't as much

Tavares and his signing was "fair" at the time. Covid and the minimal cap increase over the course the signing has been factor in making the contract look bad.
Even Muzzin was resigned in February 2020, just before Covid hit March 2020. Certainly he wouldn't be getting 5.825 if the Leafs had known the cap would be have been somewhat flat.

There is much too much criticism of the Leafs spending and their cap allotment. Most teams spend to the cap. even non playoff teams. Isn't that much worse? How about the Sens next season.
Currently they spend near the cap. Next season Sanderson goes from 1m to 9m.? Are the Sens going to be better when one player gets a 8m raise and the cap rises just 4.5m?


No. He goes to 8M, not 9. Plus they are going to get much more cap space from a couple UFA's and all the buyout and retained cap, going from 7.5 mil to -625k.
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Mar. 20 at 11:09 a.m.
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You mean Tres team is in a playoff spot and Dubas' team isn't?


To be fair Treliving hasnt done much or changed much that Dubas already had there.

Treliving spent almost 20mil in UFA on poor investments, with Samsonov, Klingberg, Reaves, Bertuzzi, Kampf not quite living up to expectations or their salaries, with DOmi at least justifying and exceeding (in offensive production) his 3mil.

But this is the same leafs: alot of one year fixes (klingberg, Bertuzzi, DOmi, Edmundsen,Samsonov, etc...), bargain basement/duct tape fixes = some that work out and some that dont. But really just the same 4 headed offense and 1 blueliner spearheading a great defense, but one of the worst defenses/goaltending amongst playoff bound clubs. Still have a coach that wont play Robertson, didnt realize he needed Benoit to play, gets some contributions from farm, some small victories definitely, but this is a 3rd place team in their division, that once again is scrambling at the TDL for quality depth and defensemen that play defense, that no one is really scared of =SSDD.

Sure Dubas emptied the cupboards quite a bit of high round picks and a lack of prospects, but no one seemed to mind at the time.

I just cant see Trelibing as anything different from Dubas as hes done similar moves and for the most part kept Dubas's team. And ultimnately, just like the past few years it looks like the same team with similar weaknesses = and that is on Treliving.
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Mar. 20 at 11:14 a.m.
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Quoting: Brad_Treliving
You mean Tres team is in a playoff spot and Dubas' team isn't?


No I man dubas' leaf teams are better than this tre leafs team
 
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