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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs

Apr. 17 at 10:22 p.m.
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Bert on a 5 year deal brings him to 34...


Too old with his injury history
Apr. 17 at 10:23 p.m.
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Brodie scores. I hate this.


I swear it tipped off of Matthews... Look from the side, the slightly change of direction and Matthews looking directly back of him...
Apr. 17 at 10:24 p.m.
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Quoting: RipNasty
Too old with his injury history


If getting both means Marner and Nylander never have to play with Matthews at 5v5 again, I'm happy
Apr. 17 at 10:26 p.m.
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Edited Apr. 17 at 10:39 p.m.
Quoting: RipNasty
He didn't allow the pass, he was going off on a change, anyone else in that position would likely have done the same. No need for a defensive zone faceoff. He doesn't have eyes on the back of his head. You really can't see beyond your opinion eh? Just justify whatever and bend everything to fit your rhetoric.

Had Willy skated harder to the bench, the same result would have happened. Had he touched the puck it was a defensive zone faceoff. You can't use hindsight to justify your emotions when the play happened how it happened for good reasons.

He didn't blow a back check, he went off on a change as the last man off, the defence and other forwards didn't get into position properly and a breakaway happened. Those players messed up, or the coaches did on how they called the line change. Willy was irrelevant at that point. Him not touching the puck is likely what the coaches tell him what to do in that situation.


He did the guy even said it lul. Again if he plays the puck who cares if it goes back to their zone it prevents that chance and goal from happening

Cannot be doing that this time of year as everyone thought he was gonna play it so didnt expect that kind of room for that pass lul

Should not be defending these lazy plays it gets us no where
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Apr. 17 at 10:40 p.m.
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Edited Apr. 17 at 10:47 p.m.
Quoting: Leafsfan98
If getting both means Marner and Nylander never have to play with Matthews at 5v5 again, I'm happy


U dont need Bert to do that. Domi can do that or one of Knies, McMann, etc.

But then again with how Willy has been when trying to drive his own line where he has not scored since Mar 28

Maybe its best he does stay with one of JT or Matthews

But in general after watching these games defense be more of a problem so might as well move on from both and spend the resources where they actually needed
Apr. 17 at 10:50 p.m.
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U dont need Bert to do that. Domi can do that or one of Knies, McMann, etc.

But then again with how Willy has been when trying to drive his own line where he has not scored since Mar 28

Maybe its best he does stay with one of JT or Matthews


So the Leafs can go back to searching for a Bertuzzi-esque replacement?

At this point, Willy's been slumping, but he's still more effective than 16... I wouldn't offer him more than his current deal...

Bert-Matthews-Domi
McMann-JT-Willy
Knies-Holmberg-Marner
Dewar-Kampf-Reaves

Quillan in the A, unless you have an injury
Apr. 17 at 10:56 p.m.
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So the Leafs can go back to searching for a Bertuzzi-esque replacement?

At this point, Willy's been slumping, but he's still more effective than 16... I wouldn't offer him more than his current deal...

Bert-Matthews-Domi
McMann-JT-Willy
Knies-Holmberg-Marner
Dewar-Kampf-Reaves

Quillan in the A, unless you have an injury


They don't need any more forwards that's not been there issue

Problem is defense

Use the cap space ti build a proper Dcore then when Jt is gone go get some other guys and see how Cowen and Minten progress
Apr. 17 at 10:59 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
They don't need any more forwards that's not been there issue

Problem is defense

Use the cap space ti build a proper Dcore then when Jt is gone go get some other guys and see how Cowen and Minten progress


So why wouldn't you want to get 1 improvement and 1 stop gap next year and another good defensemen the year after...
Apr. 17 at 11:01 p.m.
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So why wouldn't you want to get 1 improvement and 1 stop gap next year and another good defensemen the year after...


Because its time to stop wasting Matthews prime years

Build a proper Dcore that can help you go far in the playoffs this summer rather than waste time

Leafs problem this year has been defense and keeping pucks out of the net

Go get 2-3 nice Dman with the cap.

Van revamped their Dcore and look at them

OUT: OEL, Schenn

IN: Zadorov, Soucy, Cole, Hronek
Apr. 17 at 11:04 p.m.
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Because its time to stop wasting Matthews prime years

Build a proper Dcore that can help you go far in the playoffs

Leafs problem this year has been defense and keeping pucks out of the net

Get 2-3 nice Dman to keep the puck out of the net. Check Van out revamped that Dcore and thrived


So, you're saying a Dcore of:
Rielly-Pesce
McCabe-Lilly
Benoit-Zadorov
Eddy

Is wasting prime years
Apr. 17 at 11:06 p.m.
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Edited Apr. 17 at 11:13 p.m.
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So, you're saying a Dcore of:
Rielly-Pesce
McCabe-Lilly
Benoit-Zadorov
Eddy

Is wasting prime years


U cant add Pesce and Zadorov and bring back Bertuzzi lul

Zadorov's gonna want 4m minimum and for a third pair **** no
Pesce is gonna get at least 5m
Bertuzzi 4.5m

U got Liligren to extend whose gonna cost 2.5-3m, need to extend Robertson get a proper 1B goalie (2-3m)

Not doable. As even if u make em fit your getting rid of other useful players. Again the focus this summer should be proper improvement of the Dcore and then next year focus elsewhere

Example showing this with two better Dman

to-show.jpg
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Apr. 17 at 11:49 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
He did the guy even said it lul. Again if he plays the puck who cares if it goes back to their zone it prevents that chance and goal from happening

Cannot be doing that this time of year as everyone thought he was gonna play it so didnt expect that kind of room for that pass lul

Should not be defending these lazy plays it gets us no where


You're just silly
Apr. 17 at 11:51 p.m.
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Edited Apr. 18 at 12:10 a.m.
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You're just silly


Its not silly to not want these plays out of players who should know better

Defending its the silly part lul

He does this in the playoffs reaction will be the same heck for some worse

Its lazy and not what we want to see this time of year.

He's gonna be the second highest paid leaf on the team next season cant be doing this kind of stuff. Again play the puck and avoid that outcome has that leisure skate to the bench sure gave TBL all the room it needed

https://twitter.com/SamAMcKee/status/1780758814179958804
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Apr. 18 at 8:00 a.m.
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U cant add Pesce and Zadorov and bring back Bertuzzi lul

Zadorov's gonna want 4m minimum and for a third pair **** no
Pesce is gonna get at least 5m
Bertuzzi 4.5m

U got Liligren to extend whose gonna cost 2.5-3m, need to extend Robertson get a proper 1B goalie (2-3m)

Not doable. As even if u make em fit your getting rid of other useful players. Again the focus this summer should be proper improvement of the Dcore and then next year focus elsewhere

Example showing this with two better Dman

to-show.jpg


Z's gonna get 3-3.5
Pesce 5.5
Bert 4.5
Domi 2.75-3
Stolarz 2-3
Dewar 900K

Total= 19.15 mill, easily under the cap
You can ship Robertson, Jarny, Timmins and that makes the cap and roster space work in other areas if wanted but it works here
Apr. 18 at 9:30 a.m.
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Got a feeling that the Cade Webber ELC will be announced today
Apr. 18 at 1:44 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Got a feeling that the Cade Webber ELC will be announced today


It did... https://twitter.com/MapleLeafs/status/1780994370843369796?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Apr. 18 at 1:48 p.m.
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Z's gonna get 3-3.5
Pesce 5.5
Bert 4.5
Domi 2.75-3
Stolarz 2-3
Dewar 900K

Total= 19.15 mill, easily under the cap
You can ship Robertson, Jarny, Timmins and that makes the cap and roster space work in other areas if wanted but it works here


Zadorov's gonna get more look at last FA big physical Dman got a lot

Dewar is gonna get more than 900k

Domi aint signing that at minimum3.5m


You also forgot Liligren whose gonna cost 2-3m so right there over. Again they cannot bring back Domi and Bertuzzi and build a proper Dcore its not doable
Apr. 18 at 1:56 p.m.
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Edited Apr. 18 at 3:01 p.m.
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Zadorov's gonna get more look at last FA big physical Dman got a lot

Dewar is gonna get more than 900k

Domi aint signing that at minimum3.5m


You also forgot Liligren whose gonna cost 2-3m so right there over. Again they cannot bring back Domi and Bertuzzi and build a proper Dcore its not doable


Not-doable.jpg

And this is with an underpaid Zadorov

Not doable
Apr. 18 at 3:00 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Its not silly to not want these plays out of players who should know better

Defending its the silly part lul

He does this in the playoffs reaction will be the same heck for some worse

Its lazy and not what we want to see this time of year.

He's gonna be the second highest paid leaf on the team next season cant be doing this kind of stuff. Again play the puck and avoid that outcome has that leisure skate to the bench sure gave TBL all the room it needed

https://twitter.com/SamAMcKee/status/1780758814179958804


Anything that fits your opinion is all you consider and ignore everything else. Blaming Willy for that goal is just lazy low hanging fruit many people looking for clicks will focus on. A bad change lead to a goal. Not Willy's change, the rest of the team's change.
Apr. 18 at 3:19 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Got a feeling that the Cade Webber ELC will be announced today


The battle for 3LD come 2025 will be interesting to say the least

Benoit vs. Webber vs. Mattinen

Which big man will survive tune in next time on DBZ
Apr. 18 at 3:22 p.m.
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Edited Apr. 18 at 3:34 p.m.
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Anything that fits your opinion is all you consider and ignore everything else. Blaming Willy for that goal is just lazy low hanging fruit many people looking for clicks will focus on. A bad change lead to a goal. Not Willy's change, the rest of the team's change.


He was a main factor in what lead to that goal again I dont know why you are defending a lazy play out of him

Play the puck and prevent that entire sequence. Who cares if it goes back to your own zone as it prevents that goal from happening as him just doing a slow casual skate to the bench gives TBL all the time in the world. Guess he really wanted the faceoff at center ice lul

Imagine he did that in the playoffs. Its unacceptable especially for a guy whose gonna be making 11.5m next year and who should know better. Whether its game 1 to 82 that kind of stuff is not good

https://twitter.com/HockeySportPod/status/1780761273422189003
Apr. 18 at 3:36 p.m.
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He was a main factor in what lead to that goal again I dont know why you are defending a lazy play out of him

Play the puck and prevent that entire sequence. Who cares if it goes back to your own zone as it prevents that goal from happening as him just doing a slow casual skate to the bench gives TBL all the time in the world. Guess he really wanted the faceoff at center ice lul

Imagine he did that in the playoffs. Its unacceptable especially for a guy whose gonna be making 11.5m next year and who should know better. Whether its game 1 to 82 that kind of stuff is not good

https://twitter.com/HockeySportPod/status/1780761273422189003


The Tampa player coming off the bench splitting the d is entirely the rest of the team's problem. Not the guy who's last coming off and nowhere near the play. Lazy and a total lack of understanding
Apr. 18 at 3:36 p.m.
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The Tampa player coming off the bench splitting the d is entirely the rest of the team's problem. Not the guy who's last coming off and nowhere near the play. Lazy and a total lack of understanding


Simple solution touch the puck and prevent that entire play but no he wanted the faceoff at center ice and not in their own zone

Again lazy play he should know better. As that entire sequence does not make him look good especially with the outcome

He high sticks, casually skates by gives TBL all the space for a stretch pass as everyone thought he was gonna play it and bam its in our net.

Imagine he did this game 7 of the playoffs or heck playoffs in general. Not good
Apr. 18 at 4:51 p.m.
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https://twitter.com/FAN590/status/1781056916468167043?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Dont usually agree with Kyper but hes right in this case
Apr. 18 at 4:59 p.m.
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Simple solution touch the puck and prevent that entire play but no he wanted the faceoff at center ice and not in their own zone

Again lazy play he should know better. As that entire sequence does not make him look good especially with the outcome

He high sticks, casually skates by gives TBL all the space for a stretch pass as everyone thought he was gonna play it and bam its in our net.

Imagine he did this game 7 of the playoffs or heck playoffs in general. Not good


His lack of urgency to get to the bench looked bad but to blame him for the rest is just nonsense. But it's par for the course with you. You see what you want and nothing else.
 
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