Making Hronek your best defender by far would be such a Leafs move lol.

Okay so, by your logic because Jared McCann has had 40 goals previously, that makes him a better player than Marner because "you can't teach scoring"

If this is Boeser's best season, and he's not even a PPG under one of the best offensive teams in the NHL, then what does that tell you? Marner has 8 more points in 11 less games this year.

Marner drives the play, the powerplay runs through him, he's the Leafs best defensive forward, and also the point leader in the past 5 years for Toronto. Your argument makes no sense. Marner is statistically better in every measure of the game...

If you say you watch the games, then you would know half of Matthews' goals come from Marner's heavy lifting.

The AAV arguement doesn't make sense, because if you were to change one's contract to get "better transitional defence", than it would be Tavares.

Boeser's about to have 2 40 goal caliber seasons while not playing with Auston Matthews...

I mean, I guess no wonder the power play becomes cold when games get physical... And Matthews is the Leafs best defensive forward, don't get it twisted...

Watching the games... Matthews is the significantly better player and why Marner (when he's not playing well) will force the puck to Matthews as he knows it's a guaranteed goal...

My AAV argument is saying what the Leafs could do without the Marner contract to improve their team to make sure Matthews still hits 60 without Marner... So, it was a canter to your point of Matthews not hitting 60 without Marner (also factor in Matthews is the best at shot creation in the league... And he hits 60 with or without Marner)

That's simply not true... Matthews usually is the one that retrieves the pucks form defensemen and moves it around and finds open space to score

Fans that hate a team more than they like the sport are the worst

Sure bud

Matthews is the best by a fair margin, then Petterson and Marner are close and then it's Willy by a large margin. The other two don't matter.

Matthews is the better player, but Marner is a world class play maker, together it's a perfect duo. This argument between you and leafsfan98 or whatever is just silly.

Garland is in no way elite defensively. That's made up homerism

Marner and Petterson are closer than Petterson is to Matthews. There is a reason Petterson is a winger half the time. Petterson I would rate higher than Marner but it's not far off. Similar point production and Marner is a Selke finalist. Matthews is in the discussion for 2nd best player in the league. Behind only mcDavid. Petterson is top 10 but Marner is right there as well.

You hate Marner eh? Rate him lower than Willy and Miller should kick you out of Leafs nation.

Lol I didn't even see you had Boeser higher. The guy scored most of his goals this season in the first 2 months of the season when he was scoring on 25% of his shots and has completely disappeared, he's not even good

That like saying hating Keefe should kick you out of Leafs Nation... It's all opinions

now you understand what I was arguing

1.98 xGA/60, which is 1st among all forwards on either Toronto or Vancouver, and 10th best among all forwards with 400+ 5v5 minutes this season
1.67 GA/60, 3rd lowest among all forwards on either Toronto or Vancouver (Suter and Joshua ahead)
Highest CF% among all forwards on either Toronto or Vancouver
2nd lowest SA/60 among all forwards on either Toronto or Vancouver (Holmberg ahead)
4th highest SF% among all forwards on either Toronto or Vancouver (Holmberg, Matthews, and Robertson ahead)

https://x.com/jfreshhockey/status/1500605869993697283?s=46&t=Em1kSTrQp8S8RWKcSKV0NA

https://x.com/arhockeystats/status/1758521629884514329?s=46&t=Em1kSTrQp8S8RWKcSKV0NA

He’s absolutely elite defensively. The stats back it up. You’re clinging to a prior narrative of your dislike for Garland

Marner has sucked in the playoffs too often sure but when he figures it out he'll be fantastic. Keefe doesn't know how to adjust that's just a fatal flaw.

I'm just saying, not being huge on a certain part of the franchise shouldn't get anyone kicked out...

It's one thing to be disappointed with Marner when he gets inside his own head which does happen too often. But to make up a bunch of nonsense that he's worse than guys like Boeser etc all to justify your irrational hate for a guy is just stupid.

Oh, so if I don't say exactly your list of guys, I have "irrational hate"?

Brutal take

There isn't a rational person on the planet who would rare Boeser higher than Marner.

Again, have you met every rational person on the planet? It's an irrational take to say if you don't rank player A over player B, you're irrational

No rationality in this convo. Boeser had a hot start to the season and has been pretty much invisible in the 2nd half. He's never been half the player Marner is. Ever. Even the biggest Canuck homers are disagreeing with you. You're lost