But buch is better than necas...

Can't wait for Caniac2000 to enter the chat saying Necas is worth like 2 firsts more just cause he's younger

I haved the same type of trade idea who included Necas to MTL in return for the 7th overall selection, and the 7th overall selection goes to St-Louis for Buch................

I'd imagine Army would have a tough time turning that down.

No, because he comes with more control

Bad trade, they're comparable players, but Necas comes with 8 years of control, while Buch is a rental. St Louis should be adding in a base trade, and without Necas, Carolina don't need retention. I hate that Chatfield contract too, he's not worth that, just pick up Colin Miller at that price.

I think the blues would do one for one even with the retention

I agree! I’d probably want more in a perfect world but would be extremely happy with this

Would like some clarification on 8 years of control. If that’s the case, you could very easily get 8 years of control on Buchnevich if you’re wanting to give him an 8 year contract. Necas has team control this offseason and possibly next (unsure of when his RFA status turns to UFA). But it’s not going to be a significant discount. If I had to guess, unless Necas is bridged (which ironically could be similar to Buchs contract when we traded for him) an 8 year contract for both would be pretty similar in terms of AAV.

It’s hard to imagine a player like Necas having this many games under his belt truly takes it to another level, but it’s certainly possible. Buchnevich is a much more reliable player as of right now. I could see a swap similar to 1-1 being something of interest to both sides. I personally don’t like it as Necas doesn’t offer much outside of his offense. But we could do much much worse.

Would be very interested in what a poster above had explored, I just don’t see MTL doing it. A top 8 pick in this draft would do the Blues wonders for being able to potentially fill the hole of a high end defensive prospect in the system.

I mean, it's basically trading in Buch for a younger model + a 2nd, which would go into the arsenal for D moves. And while Necas isn't quite as good as Buch right now, one could certainly argue Necas is a little better at 25 than Buch was at 25. It would be dumb to pass that up.

Fair!

RFA's don't have a choice. You hold their rights until they're signed. UFA's have complete control, less leverage. You're in control with negotiations about a contract with an RFA, you aren't with a UFA. Hence, 8 years of control when he signs an extension. We can all agree they're similar value players, ignoring everything else, but Necas' RFA status gives him prolonged control. He wont be bridged because he already was. He's about to get a big payday

There is no guarantee he signs for 8 years. Also if he is in for a big payday doesn’t that mean it would make sense to move him for a similar player at a much lower cost so you can retain your other players?

Yes it gives him prolonged control. But any deal of this magnitude in the offseason would most likely happen after Buchnevich is eligible to sign an extension, and it would be done so with the idea that he is signing an extension there. It's essentially the same as having an RFA status. The only thing the RFA status would do is guarantee an acquiring team that the player will not walk next year.

The RFA status does not signal that he will be signing an 8 year contract. It just gaurantees he can't walk after next season. That's not 8 years of control, that's 1 year of additional control. That's moreso what I was getting at. There's no additional value in that than a team having the pre-determined ability to work out a contract extension with said player. The value hypothetically is in the age difference, but it's only with the assumption that Necas will develop the 200 foot game that Buchnevich already has. It's a risk on the front end for one team vs a risk on the back end for another team.

LATE ADDITION: Buchnevich also had signed a bridge very similar to Necas initially. If Necas is willing to take a 3x 6m AAV deal like Buch did at 3x5.8m it would be almost identical contract structures between the two. I guess Bridge isn't an ideal term but I guess a shorter term deal to take the player to UFA is a better way to put it.

Buch: ELC, 2x 3.25m AAV, 3x 5.8m AAV, UFA 25
Necas: ELC, 2 x 3m AAV, RFA 24.

It would line up almost identical, and it's probably the best route for both parties involved in the next contract.

I think i understand what you mean by 8 years of team control now, but again it's not a guarantee, far from it i'd imagine. Necas hasn't really earned a large 8 year deal. But Buchnevich is eligible for a contract extension this offseason. They both have control for this season/offseason. There's no more leverage on one side than the other, unless Necas RFA status doesn't expire until 25, in which case it's pretty meaningless. I don't think you're wanting to plunk 1 year deals on the player when you're selling him on upside.