Not hoping to get first overall, so let's think about what if they just stay put at 5th. Problem is, right now, and taking from Sportsnet NHL draft prospects list, 5 through 8 are all Defensemen, and Habs don't need more of those, yet, if any of these guys are NHL player material, do they have the right to pass on them? Following them, Catton and Iginla, two centers that could potentially be 2nd or 3rd quality centermen for any team down the line, but are they ready to go or will they need more than 1 year in the AHL to develop their abilities. Lindstrom, can't be discounted neither does Eiserman.
If they want to moved UP, they won't.. I don't see Sharks, Chicago, Anaheim and Columbus trade their spot with the HABS considering they all need young and talented players but I could see Teams passing on Demidov .. He's got 0 pts in 6 games over the past two years in the KHL, so no clue why he's so highly ranked at 3... I would hope Habs pass on him also given the state of the world, and that Russian players aren't being ok'ed to leave the country.
If HABS decide to go with the flow, and Yakemchuk is still available, why not. He's a 6'03" players able to move the puck, right defenseman that can shoot or pass. He's on the verge of being 200lbs. Close behind, Parekh he's got more points but a little shorter and 12lbs lighter. While not a big difference, it could be for a guy who would need to come in with the year and make a difference at the blue line given that we'll have Hutson who's shorter and has plenty of offensive talent.
If they decide to skip the Defensemen, I would make a play for Iginla. While Catton is putting up more numbers, I think that Iginla is more complete of a player.
Would the NYI move for this, Lamoriello isn't one to do crazy trades, but Barron is a 1st rounder able to play in the NHL given the right coaching and Roy is one that likes guys he can mold into his system. Barron could potentially be a good fit, low cost to minimize cap space to replace guys like Reilly or Bortuzzo, Aho also had a 50/50 year, so why not take in a RD under 1M$/yr and play him out?
While NYI give up a 1st, Habs could help with picks by providing the 3rd rounder from MIN. Balances out since NYI's 1st would be mid pack.
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Would Briere consider this trade? I mean, it could also go into the 2025 2nd round pick (latest of the two they have) or their 3rd this year. But Harris has shown very good potential and doesn't cost an arm and a leg on the cap hit. Given that they'll need to replace two older Defensmen, why not?
Gives LAK a very good defenseman who has respectable numbers in a club that didn't get much of those plusses at the blue line, Ylönen who has proven he can play on a 3rd or 4th line and Heineman who played a few games and is progressing well to become a 4th liner. Add WPG's pick and VAN's 3rd in 2025 LAK get a few more picks, and some players who can actually play now.
I think he's best to switch Harris for Barron for both other teams perspectives.
Id be interested in Harris but it wouldn't include a top 50 pick, end of story.
Wahlstrom plus 3rd or 4th rounder? sure, idek if Habs have interest in him tho. Harris isn't worth more than that tho, we have Romanov and Pelech, and Reilly has been amazing
Let's point out Demidov comment. He is playing in the MHL(30gp with 60 points). Michkov(22gp with 38pts) in the same league as a 17 year old(2 years ago). Yes, the Russian aspect there.
Lindstrom will be in the top 5. That is the player I want Montreal to select(if available).
Montreal should also look for an RHD. By the time Savard(assuming he signs an extension next season, since he wants to stay), retires or wants to take a step back. Reinbacher should be ready for top line, but do you really think Mailloux will be ready for 2nd pairing?
Should be select Lindstrom, if selected back up plan, is to go for the best RHD.
Id be interested in Harris but it wouldn't include a top 50 pick, end of story.
Wahlstrom plus 3rd or 4th rounder? sure, idek if Habs have interest in him tho. Harris isn't worth more than that though, we have Romanov and Pelech, and Reilly has been amazing
Agreed, I think the trades themselves would be reworked. The value of the original trades is fair, just not the team that are part of the deals.
Well first of all, I don't see Harris getting early 2nd in return. More likely late 2nd/3rd. Secondly, Flyers most likely doesn't have that pick but CBJ -25 2nd instead. Thirdly, I doubt they have interest on small LHD as they have Sanheim, York, Seeler and Zamula as LHD.
Could maybe be interested in Barron, if the price is right.
Russian prospects are not stuck in Russia. Khusnutdinov, Miroshnichenko, Neuchev, Svechkov, Chibrikov are all good Russian prospects that came in North America.
Demidov have 0 point in the KHL because he played less than 8 minutes in average when he was there. It is not worrying scout at all. However, he played few games in the VHL (2nd men league in Russia) and he didn’t put a point despite having in average 20 minutes of time on ice. That point is worrying me a little personally. That’s why he’s not 2nd on my list but 3rd behind Konsta Helenius.
I don't think that Los Angeles is going to trade back if the compensation is what you yourself characterize fourth-liners and a bottom-pair defenseman (who clearly won't supplant Brandt Clarke or Jordan Spence on the right side), especially when the Kings have superior left-handed forward prospects than Heineman (Turcotte, Helenius, Pinelli) and right-handed forward prospects than Ylonen (Thomas, Chromiak, Ziemmer). Unless you're willing to give us one good prospect like Barron, I think that the Kings would only accept the Colorado second as adequate compensation for any pick swap.
Dobson, Pulock, Mayfield locked in long term on the right side.
if we hadn't signed Mayfield id be interested tho
Totally understand, but I think you need to consider that Roy is a different beast, he likes to mold younger guys into his style of hockey. Mayfield is 31, still good for a Defenseman, but played 41 games and was -7. They may consider adding an extra body to either have more depth or just as a precaution and (depending on the true nature of his injury) rest him out a bit more until he's 100%, or even look for a trade to get new blood upfront if needed.
Unless the Isles can find a way to unload Mayfield's contract, they have no room for another RD behind him, Pulock, and Dobson.
I find it hard to believe that I'm reading comments about having no room for another young RD because they have three players now. Mayfield isn't getting any younger and may need time to rest, Barron is an opportunity for Roy to mold a new kid as he reaches full potential in 1 to 2 years. If Mayfield isn't 100% at the start of next year, Isles may need to have a bit more depth with a player who can play 10min per game on the third pair with offensive potential. His defensive skills can be brought up with good coaching, which you guys have right now in Roy.
Giving a mid to late 1st is not that big of a deal when you have a ready to play guy vs a prospect you have no clue how he can develop in a year or two.
I find it hard to believe that I'm reading comments about having no room for another young RD because they have three players now. Mayfield isn't getting any younger and may need time to rest, Barron is an opportunity for Roy to mold a new kid as he reaches full potential in 1 to 2 years. If Mayfield isn't 100% at the start of next year, Isles may need to have a bit more depth with a player who can play 10min per game on the third pair with offensive potential. His defensive skills can be brought up with good coaching, which you guys have right now in Roy.
Giving a mid to late 1st is not that big of a deal when you have a ready to play guy vs a prospect you have no clue how he can develop in a year or two.
The problem is that Mayfield and Pulock are signed long term and Dobson is awesome and going to be signed long term. So that's three RD's locked up for the foreseeable future. The only one of them that should be replaced is Mayfield, but he's unmoveable, so, like you've been told, the Isles don't really have room for another RD, and certainly are going to spend significant assets on one, young or otherwise. Unless they can somehow get someone to take Mayfield off their hands, which there is a roughly zero percent chance of happening since he was both bad and injured this year, and still has six more years under contract.
Let's point out Demidov comment. He is playing in the MHL(30gp with 60 points). Michkov(22gp with 38pts) in the same league as a 17 year old(2 years ago). Yes, the Russian aspect there..
Points in those leagues doesn't mean anything. Once they graduate to AHL or NHL it's either they can or can't. Joshua Roy put up 119 and 99 goals in the juniors, he's 6' and can play. Still, in the AHL was only able to put up 31pts in 40 games with a -15. With the Habs 9pts -2 in 23 games.
It always depends on the value of the league that year, how many good defensemen are out there playing against you, and are there any top goalie on the opposing teams. I don't value those points for now. He's not been impressive on his first try-out in the KHL and VHL. That may be a better indicator.
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Lindstrom will be in the top 5. That is the player I want Montreal to select(if available).
Montreal should also look for an RHD. By the time Savard(assuming he signs an extension next season, since he wants to stay), retires or wants to take a step back. Reinbacher should be ready for top line, but do you really think Mailloux will be ready for 2nd pairing?
Should be select Lindstrom, if selected back up plan, is to go for the best RHD.
Yeah, Lindstrom goes up to the top 5 or drops to the top 10 depending on the lists, but yeah could be that one surprise player that pops-out of the draft and give the team that selects him the right to brag. So I wouldn't be surprised if they go for him if he's still there.
Russian prospects are not stuck in Russia. Khusnutdinov, Miroshnichenko, Neuchev, Svechkov, Chibrikov are all good Russian prospects that came in North America.
Demidov have 0 point in the KHL because he played less than 8 minutes in average when he was there. It is not worrying scout at all. However, he played few games in the VHL (2nd men league in Russia) and he didn’t put a point despite having in average 20 minutes of time on ice. That point is worrying me a little personally. That’s why he’s not 2nd on my list but 3rd behind Konsta Helenius.
Yeah but all good prospects aren't top 3 prospects. Hence why Philly drafted Michkov 7th instead of having gone top 2, and you know the whole father deal where the rumors were that he was negotiating to have his son come to North America before he suddenly vanished and found dead.
If Demidov is seen as someone who can help the KHL go up a notch, they will not let him go as they did with Michkov. Putin wants Russia to keep their stars in Russia. Could be just a misconception, but the circumstances are weary to say the least. I would not bet my top 10 pick on a player I can't seem to have control over his coming over here.
Points in those leagues doesn't mean anything. Once they graduate to AHL or NHL it's either they can or can't. Joshua Roy put up 119 and 99 goals in the juniors, he's 6' and can play. Still, in the AHL was only able to put up 31pts in 40 games with a -15. With the Habs 9pts -2 in 23 games.
It always depends on the value of the league that year, how many good defensemen are out there playing against you, and are there any top goalie on the opposing teams. I don't value those points for now. He's not been impressive on his first try-out in the KHL and VHL. That may be a better indicator.
My point is Demidov is classified like Michkov. Mitchkov was rated #2, but drafted #7 by Flyers. In a high D rated draft, a team looking for forwards may take him higher(but I expect like 7-10 as well). I am agreeing with you, but giving status on why he is higher up on the list.
The problem is that Mayfield and Pulock are signed long term and Dobson is awesome and going to be signed long term. So that's three RD's locked up for the foreseeable future. The only one of them that should be replaced is Mayfield, but he's unmoveable, so, like you've been told, the Isles don't really have room for another RD, and certainly are going to spend significant assets on one, young or otherwise. Unless they can somehow get someone to take Mayfield off their hands, which there is a roughly zero percent chance of happening since he was both bad and injured this year, and still has six more years under contract.
in this hockey league.. nothing is 0%... Habs moved Weber's contract out... Got 2 first by taking and trading Monahan.. Got a 2nd for Allen and were able to move not once but twice Petry... LOL!
If a team wants to take a chance and sit Mayfield out for a year to let him recuperate at 100% (and if the Isles are ready for that, Barron could be the backup for that year and see where it goes), there's no way of it being 0%. LOL!
Yeah but all good prospects aren't top 3 prospects. Hence why Philly drafted Michkov 7th instead of having gone top 2, and you know the whole father deal where the rumors were that he was negotiating to have his son come to North America before he suddenly vanished and found dead.
If Demidov is seen as someone who can help the KHL go up a notch, they will not let him go as they did with Michkov. Putin wants Russia to keep their stars in Russia. Could be just a misconception, but the circumstances are weary to say the least. I would not bet my top 10 pick on a player I can't seem to have control over his coming over here.
Yurov is coming in the nhl and he is one of the best prospect in the KHL. Miro also was an excellent prospecf. Russia and Putin already have a lot of trouble. They don’t want to start a sport war with USA right now. They have other things to bother about right now.
Everything around Andrei Michkov’s death are rumors. Facts are that Michkov went 7th mainly because of himself. He seems to be a **** disturber. When a player fought his teamate/ex-teamate twice (Remezovsky and Miroshnichenko), kicked a teamate in the locker room because he was in hid way and reportedly was having a bad attitude with Washington’s amateur scouting crew, he is going to slip.
Yurov is coming in the nhl and he is one of the best prospect in the KHL. Miro also was an excellent prospecf. Russia and Putin already have a lot of trouble. They don’t want to start a sport war with USA right now. They have other things to bother about right now.
Everything around Andrei Michkov’s death are rumors. Facts are that Michkov went 7th mainly because of himself. He seems to be a **** disturber. When a player fought his teamate/ex-teamate twice (Remezovsky and Miroshnichenko), kicked a teamate in the locker room because he was in hid way and reportedly was having a bad attitude with Washington’s amateur scouting crew, he is going to slip.
so you're addressing his father's death rumors with even bigger rumors...
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