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Forum: Armchair-GMMay 23, 2017 at 7:44 p.m.
Thread: Pens 17-18 Updated
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Willian_Cardoso</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeefSupreme</b></div><div>That's probably pretty accurate as far as fleury and Vegas.

It's kind of unrealistic to think Vegas would pass up a top 6 player in either hornqvist or rust without something big coming back their way.

Getting a decent prospect and at most a later pick is probably a good return for fleury considering he'll be moved on to a good spot and in the west.

I'd be a little wary of giving ufa's not named bonino contracts longer than 1 year though considering next year we need to resign rust Wilson kuhnhackl and Rowney.</div></div>

You're right about UFA's. But the only one of those 4 which I think it'll receive a big salary raise is Rust. If he keeps his actual hockey level, I think he'll probably receive a salary between 3.5 and 4.5M for about 4 or 5 years. Wilson and Rowney will receive about 1.5M for maybe 2 or 3 seasons. And Kuhn will receive less than 1M. Unless all of these guys have a real boost in their hockey level next season.

That's why I think my UFA's signs makes sense. 2 years for Williams and Del Zotto are a good contract lenght me. Maybe Del Zotto could receive just 1. But Williams is a player who add qualities in many ways to the team. Even with his age. He's a very good replacement to Hornqvist, in my opinion, with many similarities with him.</div></div>

Yeah I would say one year to del zotto would probably be a good precaution, unless del zotto is paid less.

I could see taking a little more risk to grab Williams considering what all he could bring with missing hornqvist and if Cullen's retiring.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3, 2017 at 8:44 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3, 2017 at 2:38 p.m.
Thread: Fleury to Winnipeg
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mtdavis311</b></div><div><i>Could see this happening. Fleury for Pavelec and a third is fair value certainly, might be able to stretch the 2nd out of them too.

The only problem with this is we would have to extend Pavelec since he's a UFA, and we would have no goalies to expose.

This mainly depends on if A) Fleury would waive his NTC for Winnipeg and B) if they don't trust Hellebyuck as the next guy up.</i></div></div>

I think pavelec still counts since he isn't a ufa until after the expansion draft. If that isn't the case though the Pens could always sign some career ahl goalie and use him as the exposable goalie.

Id imagine Winnipeg is a team fleury would waive for considering that goaltending is their only major issue right now.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2017 at 4:08 p.m.
Thread: Fleury for some 17-18 cap space part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dr_dregz</b></div><div><i>I see the pens protecting 7/3
Malkin, Crosby, Kessel, Hornqvist, Hagelin, Sundqvist and Rust
Letang, Maatta and Schultz
Murray

Fleury won't need to be protected via trade/buyout/waived NMC

We have a lot of UFA at the end of the year and unless they sign with the pens before the expansion draft we don't have to worry about protecting them. Kunitz, Bonino, Cullen, Daley, Kristo, Sestito, Warsofsky, Gaunce, Oleksy, Ruhwedel and Porter. LV can sign one of these players but that will count as their selection from the pens.

This will leave LV a slim group to pick from highlighted by Dumoulin, Pouliot, Kuhnhackl, Fehr and Cole. Doubtful options would include Archibald, S Wilson, Dea, G Wilson, Percy and Erixon.

My guess is Domoulin is taken by LV with the potential to take Fleury if he's still available with a waived NMC</i></div></div>

That's also a likely scenario. I could see them trying to see if they could get dumo signed for under maatta's 4.0833 per season prior to the expansion draft. If they can sign him for less, expose maatta. If they can't, expose dumo. Id protect the same forwards if that's the case.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2017 at 1:30 p.m.
Thread: Fleury for some 17-18 cap space
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AZWings</b></div><div><i>I like the bones of this trade - Fleury for Elliott and Wideman. Pens get off the hook for having to protect Fleury during the expansion and get a decent backup goalie. Flames get a goalie who can/should be a #1 and get Wideman's contract off their roster.

Quibbles: Wideman also has a NMC. So that's 2 D with NMCs for the Pens. Who'll be the 3rd D protected? Also, not sure Calgary will both retain salary and give up a 2nd rounder.</i></div></div>

You bring up a good point that I didn't consider in regards to widemans NMC. Maybe they can work out something where wideman agrees to waive and there's a conditional 3rd round pick if he goes back on it (not really sure if that's allowed). Pens could also take less back and Engelland instead.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2017 at 12:59 p.m.
Thread: Fleury for some 17-18 cap space part 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MTF</b></div><div><i>

If hags is available in the draft who do you think Vegas would choose over him?!

and Flower contract is gone whether by trade, waive and claim, or buyout</i></div></div>

There seem to be some illusion that Vegas is going to draft the "best" player off the NHL roster regardless of cap cost. I think Vegas would be better to take a $700,000 AHLer from the Pens rather than Hagelin. Let's say they do that for a couple of teams. 3.3m saving for 4 teams gives Vegas 13m to spend on. UFAs. No Vegas is not cap dump heaven for NHL teams.
Fleury: OK he could be gone via trade, but money maybe even bad money coming back to the Pens, a buyout cost Pens money. And no way is this version worth a waive (that would violate his NMC most likely).</i></div></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MTF</b></div><div><i>

If hags is available in the draft who do you think Vegas would choose over him?!

and Flower contract is gone whether by trade, waive and claim, or buyout</i></div></div>

There seem to be some illusion that Vegas is going to draft the "best" player off the NHL roster regardless of cap cost. I think Vegas would be better to take a $700,000 AHLer from the Pens rather than Hagelin. Let's say they do that for a couple of teams. 3.3m saving for 4 teams gives Vegas 13m to spend on. UFAs. No Vegas is not cap dump heaven for NHL teams.
Fleury: OK he could be gone via trade, but money maybe even bad money coming back to the Pens, a buyout cost Pens money. And no way is this version worth a waive (that would violate his NMC most likely).</i></div></div>

Trades might not being showing up but this is a follow-up to fleury being traded to Calgary.

You have a good point with Vegas taking AHLers but with the exemption for players with under 2 pro years that leaves rust, Wilson, kuhnhackl, and sundqvist as guys who have shown that they have Nhl potential.

Wilson and kuhnhackl have been 4th liners and sundqvist has yet to really play at the Nhl level.

I would protect rust (4d, 4o protection) but that does leave hornqvist open. I saw hornqvist and hagelin as the best options, but just used hagelin since he makes .25 less to see if the cap space works out.

You've got a good point but the pens have traded away most of their exposable ahlers with high potential.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2017 at 12:21 p.m.
Thread: Fleury for some 17-18 cap space
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div><i>Do you think Fleury is worth his 5.75m to the Flames for the next two full seasons?</i></div></div>

I kinda looked at it this way

Fleury does play much better when the net is his and has been a number one goalie for most of his career. Calgary is still holding a wild-card spot using Johnson as their starter, but considering Johnson is more of a career backup I don't see him taking them to the playoffs or at least very far. (He's only played more than 30 games once and is 30 years old)

Calgary could just wait till the offseason to try to sign bishop, but that probably means they're giving up on the playoffs and bishop would probably cost 6+ per and that's considering they actually sign him.

I can see the pens retaining up to 1.75 on fleury too. If they buy him out it's going to cost about 1.9 per season for 4 years, so I'd rather pay less for 2 years and get something in return.