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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Russell isn't going to play above Jones and Barrie isn't going to play above Bear - based on their performances last season. I don't know much about Koekkoek but his numbers last year show better than Russell too.
I really like those additions though. I'd love to see Kahun signed for 2 years, however.</div></div>
I'd love to see some sort of justification as to why Barrie shouldn't be playing above Bear: Barrie's had 20min a night plus for years and while Bear exceeded expectations last season, the results weren't the prettiest.
Assuming 3 powerplays and penalty kills per night (league averages) and the top PP unit sees all 6 minutes of icetime for the powerplay: Barrie still sees 14+ minutes of icetime per night. I don't think Bear <em>needs</em> to be used on the PK (Nurse/Larsson and Russell/Jones are good enough pairings), so is the assumption that Nurse-Bear is a thing only because Bear should be looking at playing strictly 20 5v5 minutes per night? The second Bear gets any special teams time, the club should be looking at balancing his minutes with a Nurse-Barrie pairing: I'm disinterested in having 4 defenders playing over 21 minutes per night because the club elected to extend Russell for a year but feel that he's only a 16-minute man (14min 5v5, 2min PK). Nurse (20min 5v5, 4min PK), Bear (20min 5v5), Jones (18min 5v5, 2min PK), Larsson (16min 5v5, 4min PK), and Barrie (14min 5v5, 6min PP) already sees 5 guys pushing 20min per night without completely overworking the Nurse-Bear pairing.
But, as per usual, I'm either overthinking or underthinking the problem, and I'm never sure which.
I like the Kahun and Koekkoek signings because it means some other team doesn't have them. They're very functional depth pieces to have in a condensed season, and I think there's a case that Edmonton should need both. I'd beg Bear for a third year if that's his AAV. Klefbom's gone for the year no matter what: the team needs to move its ass a bit faster on getting him on LTIR before the season starts and to start offering a little more to the trio you've signed to ensure Edmonton goes into this season with as much quality on it's roster as possible. Wouldn't mind Hoffman for a year if he was interested.
Echoing the above sentiments of Jones > Russell, and if Koekkoek ends up playing more than ol' Cowboy, I like that bottom pair a hell of a lot more.
I think at this point a more likely return for Chiasson is going to be a 7th and an AHL player to keep the 50-man lists even for both clubs, possibly a small amount of retention on Edmonton's end. I'm fine with that: the goal at this point isn't cap space, but rather a roster spot. I'd inquire as to whether or not tagging on Wells ups the return any, if at all.
I would think RNH and Kahun might switch spots if the German connection works (this time) and I have nothing but grievances with your fourth line. Either Nygard-Khaira-Archibald or Khaira-Haas-Archibald. The Turris signing tipped off that the fourth line should be expected to eat the garbage minutes and matchups, and putting Neal on that line is nothing but hazardous. I'd rotate Kassian and Neal out based on the opponent and the hot stick once Zack finds himself demoted in favour of Puljujarvi. Until then, I'd be running the blender between the McDavid and Turris lines until something sticks on either line.
Ennis - McDavid - Kassian
Kahun - Turris - Puljujarvi
to start the season (Neal in for Kahun sometimes?). I think the club has to at least entertain a Neal-McDavid-Puljujarvi line at one point or another, and I think a Kahun-McDavid-Puljujarvi line would be nothing but firewagon fun. I still personally want to see what Nygard does alongside McDavid with more than 12 minutes.
I wouldn't be against the RNH-Draisaitl-Yamamoto line being the #1 line until whatever the McDavid line ends up being proves that it's come to play at evens.
Forum: NHLThu at 11:49 am For the sake of argument, I'm going to make a critical assumption that all 7 Canadian AHL teams play north of the border this year and that there will be something resembling an AHL season. I think it's worth mentioning that I firmly believe that Haas and Nygard are on the 23-man NHL roster.
Quine and Griffith are not depth guys in the AHL: they belong at the top-end of the roster. Conversely, I don't believe Lavoie will be used in a premier role in his first professional season: it's an often-difficult transition to make from junior, and it's still a difficult transition to make from the Allsvenskan.
The writing on the wall for Marody is becoming increasingly more obvious: he needs a strong bounce-back season to regain some legitimacy to his title as a prospect. If he can find more of a scoring element and continue to work on his two-way acumen, there's a gig for him as a quality depth player in the NHL for years to come. Benson needs to find an upper echelon to his AHL scoring in order to shed his doubters. Given this information and the misplacement of Quine and Griffith in the bottom-six, I would establish Bakersfield's top six as such:
Benson - Marody - Griffith
Gambardella - Quine - Russell
Is this optimal for prospect development? It depends on who you ask: it's very much setting up Benson and Marody for more offensive production, but it denies big minutes from McLeod and Lavoie. I don't necessarily think this is a problem. That entire second line is effectively the call-up squad: productive AHL veterans that the Oilers can rely on in a pinch without upsetting the Condor's ability to produce. The trio of Benson, Marody, and Griffith should be expected to operate at around a point-per-game pace. If Benson is going to build on his skillset and become more of a producing, complimentary winger, this is how it's going to happen. Same goes for Marody: he'd be expected to be the two-way glue for this line.
I don't believe McLeod <em>needs</em> a ton of 5v5 minutes in the AHL in order to develop, but rather, I'd want to see him as the ultimate utility piece for the Condors: tons of PK time, some PP2 usage, extra man situations, and driving a line with more sheltered linemates. In a previous AGM I had Edmonton acquiring some LW depth for the AHL explicitly for McLeod to run-and-gun with. I also think this the more appropriate spot for Lavoie: his mission in the AHL is not to become a two-way player, but to adjust to the pace and style of professional hockey. I'd start him as the #3RW once the AHL assumes play, but graduate him up the lineup as he becomes more adapted. I'd love to see him claim the #1RW spot you've put him into, but in a 40ish game season, is he going to get there fast enough?
Safin is a project, and Maksimov is starting to fall into that category as well: I think they represent a duo where you want them seeing sheltered offensive minutes with a reliable pivot as they continue to grow other aspects of their game. I have Cracknell as the guy that should be pivoting these two: he knows his role by now, given his age. There's a chance for a call-up sure, but at this point in his career, Cracknell's biggest priority is to mentor those younger than him. I think this fourth line as a whole has more utility than I'm giving it credit for: I'd love to see Safin as a net-front presence on the powerplay. Bottom six is thus as such:
 - McLeod - Lavoie
Safin - Cracknell - Maksimov
The blueline pairings are fine, but Broberg should be staying in Sweden for the entire year and I think you're missing out on capitalizing on a Lennstrom-Niemelainen pairing. I also like the idea of Samorukov pairing with Berglund: they're both two-way guys and I think the give-and-go between who's playing the puck, who's defending, who's pinching, etc will help both men grow both facets of their game. It wouldn't surprise me to see Lagesson make it to the AHL, and I love the idea of not bringing up Bouchard too early. They'd be a very, very strong top pair for the Condors and it gives Bouchard all the more time to refine his play behind the puck.
Lagesson - Bouchard
Samorukov - Berglund
Lennstrom - Neimelainen
Nothing much else to add in terms of the goaltenders. Very much agree that Rodrigue sees AHL icetime as opposed to ECHL minutes, and I agree that Wells is to be moved on from.
I'm not sold on the current organizational depth: most know I was critical of the Holloway pick, and I didn't mind what Edmonton did on the second day of the draft. The problem is thus: if there's to be a large-scale graduation of prospects next season (Benson, Bouchard, Broberg, Lagesson, maybe Lavoie, Marody, and McLeod all in some capacity), who's next to fill in so many roster spots? If Holloway, Kemp, Konovalov, and Rasanen are currently the only Oiler prospects currently outside the AHL looking to make the jump, is the club going to turn to UFA to fill out the Condors' depth like they did with the early Oil Barons? Does the organization lean harder on NCAA or CHL free agency next offseason?
There's already such a shallow amount of quality in Edmonton's farm system, and next year looks like a lot of it is going to migrate to the big club. There's very much a void and I don't know what the plan is to add quality to the organizational depth charts other than it's not going to happen overnight.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OlegP</b></div><div>I am not fully aware of the Oilers situation on Klefbom. Again, this was a <strong>fantasy</strong>
4-4, really? They'd have to expose Yammo and Pool Party. That wont happen
I like Caleb Jones but you'll have to lose someone of value. Right now you may know more about the Klefbom situation but you also sound like a biased homer.</div></div>
I don't believe Holland necessarily needs to nor has plans to protect Puljujarvi: he didn't draft the guy, and if he can find a season of value out of him, he's fulfilled his obligation to do right by both the player and the team. There's no inherent loyalty to the player here just because pen was put to paper. Edmonton could comfortably protect McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent-Hopkins, Yamamoto, Klefbom, Nurse, Bear, Jones, and Koskinen without derailing too much of their long term plans. Best practice would suggest they package him with Kassian or Neal as part of expansion considerations, but that's not my call.
If it were truly up to me, I'd want Klefbom healthy. He's by a mile Edmonton's best defender. Why would I want him gone? The Oilers are objectively better with him than without, but that reality isn't for me to decide. My bias comes from my understanding of the team, but to call me a homer is disingenuous. I might be the biggest critic of the Oilers on this site. If you're struggling with the idea of teams doing the best for themselves come expansion because you're unwilling to be realistic, I'm not the problem in this case. Maybe invest more of your time into understanding other teams more? It's genuinely worthwhile, and you end up appreciating more hockey at the end of the day. You can't lose.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OlegP</b></div><div>Zaitsev contract is one of the worst in the NHL. Kassian lolz. Seattle wont be doing teams favours. Last thing Minnesota will have taken is a goalie. It will be a forward like Greenway or defensemen like Soucy. I won't touch some of the more ridiculous ones like Rust, Vrana</div></div>
I think you appropriately addressed in your most recent expansion draft that Seattle shouldn't be expecting to be very good right off the bat: teams will have wizened up (hopefully) and won't readily expose quality players.
I think you're vastly underestimating the prices GMs will pay to save themselves from their own mistakes. Teams are going to pay out the ass to move names like Zaitsev, Lucic, Johnson, etc. And there's an overlap with the understanding that Seattle isn't going to be Vegas 2.0 right out of the gate, especially if teams use Seattle as a means to offload one of their bad contracts. Some decent players are going to be made available, but my general understanding is that Seattle is better off looking at building for 3-5 years after expansion, especially considering the division they're entering. Vegas is still going to be very good over the next few seasons. Edmonton and Vancouver might be on the verge of becoming divisional contenders for the next decade, and both the Kings and Ducks are poised to exit their rebuilds soon and begin their climb up the standings. Calgary (who has a few relevant years left at least) and San Jose are looking to be the immediate competition for the Kraken. I think the better play is to transition as close to alongside the Kings and Ducks as possible, wait for Vegas to fall off, and compete with the top teams of the Pacific for dominance.
That means taking names like Zaitsev, Lucic, or Johnson to acquire draft capital or prospects, and it means adding in names like Kassian, Wood, and Gardiner in order to ice an NHL team over that window.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MaxDomi13</b></div><div>Klefbom retires?!</div></div>
His shoulder has become arthritic, and he's 27 years old. Unless he finds a means to consistently manage the pain, he has considered retirement. He didn't want to come back to play during the play-in, but did so more as a favour reportedly. I think odds are his days of playing hockey are done.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ottawa_Kev</b></div><div>In my view Kassian is a border line 4th line player / AHL player. Given that he is vastly overpaid, the team could make better use of the money by signing some UFAs right now that would provide more value than Kassian provides. Even if your valuation of Kassian is correct there is no way Seattle takes on a contract like that without being paid to do it. If there are teams that value Kassian as a 3rd liner we need to find them and trade him there now. We know that Tipp doesn't that is why Kassian was a healthy scratch. He has got to be moved.</div></div>
Your evaluation of the player and his late cold streak do not define Kassian as a fringe fourth line forward in the NHL. His usage, TOI, and production are all in range of a typical third line player.
Is he overpaid? Absolutely. Does he take dumb penalties? Absolutely.
Seattle's required - by rules of expansion - to take at least one roster player from each team based on exposure requirements. They'll have their choice of Archibald, Khaira, Kassian, and a collection of AHL players. They can either burn their selection on an objectively worse NHL player on an expiring deal, gamble on a UFA that may not sign with them, or they can take the piece with the most objective risk-free value. That's going to be Kassian. Edmonton doesn't need a kicker. If Seattle wants one, any add-in would likely be minimal.