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BeterChiarelli

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Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 3:01 pm
Thread: What if we get Power
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>They can make do but check out Cup champions and contenders. It's pretty rare.</div></div>

I'd never dispute that it wasn't rare, but we have seen instances of deeper teams lacking the immediate star power push hard in the playoffs. The 2006 Oilers, Vegas' first year in the league (at least on paper to start the season), the 2016-17 Predators. The 2017 Senators even come to mind, where more of their roster strengths came from the back-end and a rag-tag group of good-but-not-great set of forwards accompanied by Mark Stone.

I'm aware none of these teams won, but they got pretty damn close. Centermen of that calibre are neither easy to find nor are they readily available: unless the Senators are in the running for Lambert, Savoie, or Wright during next year's draft, they might have to take the less-travelled route and insulate their #2C-calibre pivots with high-end wingers and defenders.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 2:53 pm
Thread: Do not go breaking the bank yet
This smells like it was written by one of three members of the Oilers media, which isn't a good thing.

I disagree with the philosophy entirely: there needs to be a much more dire need to win from this management group, and a majority of that is going to require maximizing what the dollars on this roster are actually doing.

I don't think Hall's the guy they need (I'd still love to have him) but a #1LW, a genuine #1G, and a viable #3C are so sorely needed. I think this year highlighted this: the duo of McDavid and Draisaitl have enough magic between them to push the Oilers to this calibre. It's the supporting cast that's going to put them over the top (rather: should more be asked of Connor and Leon to make this a cup-winning team?).

I'll echo <a href="/users/CD282" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@CD282</a>: Koskinen's more than fine enough as a #1B. He can be infuriating at times, but I think this has more to do with the coaching staff, Holland's piss-poor handling of Forsberg, and the Oilers' goalie coach (who's survived two too many cullings for my liking). His expiring $4.5M hit makes managing contracts next year much easier, especially when the current expectation is for the winner of Ilya Konovalov vs Stuart Skinner is anticipated to be the backup on a sub-$1M cap hit in 2022-23.

Until the cap starts going up, Benson, Bouchard, Broberg, McLeod, and Samorukov have nothing in the way of arbitration rights. Shorter-term deals at lower AAVs must be used to weather the short-term pain that a talent-laden roster must endure. The worst Nurse and Bear do is in the neighbourhood of costing $4-5M extra between the two of them, which is covered by the combination of ELCs and the expiration of dead cap over the next two seasons. Walking away from the historical trend of multi-million-dollar fourth liners is something this organization needs to adopt in order to accommodate some raises too: neither Archibald or Khaira should be making more than $1M on their next contracts. The Leafs have routinely shown that you can find value contracts to play 4th-line minutes: the cost difference between three league-minimum players and the Shore-Khaira-Archibald setup Edmonton likely runs next year could be the difference between keeping Puljujarvi and having to trade him for assets elsewhere.

Burying Russell to free up an extra million dollars needs to be discussed more. Lagesson is cheaper and equally as effective.

Personally, if this is the best Holland can do over the course of the summer, Daryl Katz needs to be having conversations as to whether or not Holland is an effective GM. Leaving $11.6M on the table when you have the two best players in the league in their primes is a waste and looks even worse with the hindsight of the deadline rhetoric "we didn't have the guts/assets to make a trade at the 2021 deadline, we'll make our mark in the summer".

I don't even think the criticism of the UFA market being bad is an excuse: there are teams on the cusp of being bent over the salary cap barrel (hi Tampa, you again?). The 2021 pick, Benson, Marody, hell the Lightning probably see value in Stalock's low hit; everything that isn't immediately contributing 20 minutes or 20 goals to next year's roster needs to be put on the table. Get creative. Find a winger that teams can't afford anymore, get Neal to retire or permanently put on LTIR, and do whatever it takes to ice a contending roster next year.

I know it's all conjecture and "the sky is falling", but if Edmonton still hasn't made any real damage in the playoffs over the next three years, why shouldn't Draisaitl and McDavid start considering greener pastures at the end of their current contracts? Holland must make meaningful moves this summer in order to fuel the dividends of the next 5 years.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 2:00 pm
Thread: What if we get Power
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>A few different responses for a great but long post

Seems like you are arguing (and I'll defer to you as I didn't follow that closely last year) that Sanderson wasn't BPA last year anyway. So fair enough.

In regards to forwards over d, I'll disagree a bit and say C's over both.

I think Ottawa's biggest lack unless stuetzle moves to c is high end C's. It's really hard to win without them</div></div>

Man, that's like an average length post for me :tearsofjoy

The margins between Sanderson and Raymond weren't massive, but noticeable. Can't fault them for taking the D there even if it did catch a few people by surprise last year.

I find the lines between who actually is a pivot and who's just a winger at the draft are blurred a bit: the scouts interviewed for the TSN mid-season ranking suspect that a lot of the centers in this draft won't be centers at the NHL.

I find that statement agreeable, but I think the Senators could make do with three second-line calibre centers, which is what I think they have right now, so long as the rest of the team is solid.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 1:39 pm
Thread: What if we get Power
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>Sure, you could make the argument that they would have been better served taking a forward 5th last year, and take a D this year, but you can't really plan moves out like that. They decided that the most pressing long-term concern was defensive stability, and they had the opportunity to select a guy who projects as an elite level defender and an incredible transition D. He fit the bill of what they really needed, and they didn't want to gamble on someone maybe being available in a year, especially when they weren't planning to be this bad this year.

If they get better goaltending, especially in the first month or so they could have been where Calgary is in the standings this year. The Sens have mostly been competitive aside from that first 15 game stretch. It's much harder to fill the role Sanderson projects to have with a mid round pick. Now the opportunity is still there for then to add another forward they could use, or they can still build further on their Blueline. Having lefties playing the right side isn't that big a deal, especially if it's two elite D like Chabot-Power. They could even trade some assets, like Brannstrom perhaps to acquire an impactful forward to balance things out.</div></div>

I don't inherently disagree with most of your second paragraph beyond the idea of "if if's and but's were candy and nuts...". A lot of literature pointed at the Sens having misappropriated assets at Murray, but accounting for the injuries is beyond any mortal. I will point out however, that quality defenders are more frequently found in the mid-rounds of drafts than forwards are with the same selections. The quality there exists, and it's usually because specific, fixable elements of defenders are scrutinized much more than their forward contemporaries. Off the top of my head, Edmonton found Jones, Bear, and Marino with very late picks in the 2015 draft, which was supposed to see a lot of talent identified and capitalized on within the first 100 picks. Top-pair guys? Most likely not, but are there more than 15 bona-fide #1 defenders in the league today? Top-four guys for sure though.

I think the Senators should have realized they were likely destined for a top-10 pick this year, which was known to be heavy on blueliners as of two years ago. I don't think an ever statistically-declining Murray, what was left of Dadonov, and an 18 year-old Tim Stuetzle was near enough to declare the team remotely competitive, especially in what was then only going to be the Atlantic Division. The Sabres' drop off wasn't expected by most anyone, so at best they were hoping to be better than Detroit and in the running for 5th with Buffalo and Montreal. I think any expectations of keeping pace with Boston, Florida, Tampa Bay, or Toronto over the course of any length of season is very unrealistic.

I do support the notion of thinking a bit more "big-brained" and taking Sanderson last year though (again, money now is worth more than money tomorrow). I liked the pick, even if BPA trended more towards Raymond.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 1:29 pm
Thread: What if we get Power
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BCAPP</b></div><div>BPA. Having Sanderson and powers and both panning out isn't a bad thing. Worse case scenario you trade one at 22 for a boat load</div></div>

I fundamentally agree with the logic, but Sanderson wasn't the 4th best player available last year. All signs should have pointed to Ottawa taking Raymond. If all that's really missing from the long-term core of young Senators is another top-six RW and maybe a more sure thing in net, I'd be taking a much longer look at Guenther, who just ranked tied for 2nd on today's TSN midseason draft.

A parallel to the business side of the game, money now is worth more than money tomorrow. Power checks a lot of boxes, but the Sens have a comparable player in Sanderson and an organizational need. Can you get fair value in a trade if the loser of Sanderson/Power doesn't come as advertised? Do you eliminate as much risk as possible and take from a position of need knowing there isn't a massive disparity between the 1st and 3rd picks this year? In a vacuum, having Sanderson-Power long term is a phenomenal problem to have, but the presence of Brannstrom and Chabot makes such a luxury gratuitously excessive. Taking another premier defender more or less tells your scouts that you don't trust them to identify forward talent and that you'd rather gamble on development curves.

Now, all that said, I'm operating under the guise of the Senators not having the #1 pick in this draft, which may be a bit dishonest for this kind of exercise. I'm kind of anticipating the Sens to fall closer to #5 or #6 overall, as I suspect they'll catch up and pass the Devils and Ducks rather handily. The Canucks and Red Wings are starting to look in range too.

If they end up with the #1 pick, and it was entirely up to me, I'd be taking Guenther. You have the horses on the back end and I prefer to refrain from taking defenders 1st overall. A name like Dahlin may be the exception, but I think both the Panthers and Sabres would be much happier with Draisaitl and Svechnikov than their respective 1st overall defenders. Ekblad's great, and Dahlin will get there, but the payout in terms of value and production vastly favours forwards.
Forum: Site DiscussionMon at 1:12 pm
Thread: ACGM Glitch/Bug
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hanson493</b></div><div>Hi banks and jarvis. I was messing around with making a 2021-22 team page and when I created a goalie it defaults him in the NHL, but when I try to move him to the ahl it only lets me move him to another position. It doesn't give me the option to move him to goalie. Once I move him out of the nhl goalie spot, it will not let me put him back into the goalie spot. Any idea what is causing the issue? ive tried this multiple times with multiple created players and it just wont work for goalies for some reason.

Also as an aside to this, any chance we could request player symbols next to created players? think it would be a cool change for the offseason and would make the pages look nice and clean aesthetically.

Thanks for everything you guys do here. Fantastic site.</div></div>

This sounds like something that popped up about a month ago, but you should be able to assign the player to the AHL using the little pencil icon that appears when you hover your mouse over that player. Click on that and their should be an option for "move to minors".
Forum: Mock-DraftFri at 6:38 pm
Thread: When do they come to the NHL 2019
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dzinger18</b></div><div>I'm a bit concerned about Broberg because he still has only 13 points in 44 games this season in the SHL and no points in the playoffs yet, much below expectations. Just something tells me that he will get to play in the NHL for some time next season.</div></div>

From everything I heard it stems from a combination of European coaches being very eager to "default to the veteran" and the shoulder injury he sustained in the WJCs. It's also well known that the SHL in particular is very particular about secondary assists and doesn't frequently hand them out. Traditionally, North American defenders on a similar developmental trajectory benefit more from how we dole out those secondary assists.

In his most recent interview Holland states that Broberg is North America bound next season. I just don't think it's rational to pencil him into an NHL role if its unwarranted. That's the kind of philosophy that made the Oilers famous for ruining prospects. Given how much money is going to be available to Old Dutch this summer, it's his golden opportunity to make this roster his own. There are good odds he looks to make a cup-contending team this summer: as the Oilers are currently constructed, this probably rules out a rookie defender being a full-time staple on the roster. Tippett won't even play Bouchard or Jones over some of his veterans. Broberg has a longer list of names in front of him. 9 games and then back to California; there's no shame in that.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 5:53 pm
Thread: Draft Thots
Wanna finish filling out your roster so I don't need to move this to the SJS subforum? I don't want to immediately dust this because you have some trades here for a hypothetical scenario but neither the discussion or title are wholly relevant to the rest of the AGM. Just something we've been asked to keep an eye on.

In terms of actual discussion, I'll refer to this source: https://bluebulletreport.com/2020/10/05/2020-nhl-draft-rankings/

The #2 pick has a value of 87.31. The combination of picks #6 and #26 (based on where NYI is in the standings by points percentage today) has a value of 59.93. The Sharks are being cheated of value equivalent to the #10 pick here. I'm not particularly sure how New Jersey bridges that gap without Ty Smith or Holtz.

Secondly, the Sharks - should they have pick #2 - only stand to benefit with the quality of prospect available to them. Any of Beniers, Clarke, Eklund, Guenther, Hughes, Power, or Wallstedt would be phenomenal picks for this organization. I don't think San Jose stands to gain much by trading back here. Just take whomever management deems is the BPA and start accumulating pieces for a long rebuild. If anything, a defender taken this year should have more than enough time to over-ripen and be NHL ready by the time the Sharks are done accumulating top picks.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr 15 at 4:27
Thread: Blown Up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Copenhagen</b></div><div>Great like I said, you can do that deal if you are GM. No way I am doing that deal and I think Neal will retire at the end of this year do to health concerns. Yama and JP are young and both are on Voracek pace for goals and games played. Well Yamamo is above that pace in fact. Klefbomb will be back and the Oilers will be a lot stronger with him there, like if you want to argue Klefbomb for Sanheim is an equal trade than thats up to you. But IMO Klefbomb is better and plays in all situations.

So the trade is Neal who will probably retire or go on LTIR for the rest of his career and a 2nd for an 8 million dollar player that is over paid. No thanks, like I said above I would rather sign Hyman or Tartar for 5 million a year. That is my decision. If you like the deal than thats good for you, we dont all have to agree on eveluation of players or team direction. I would never do that deal PERIOD.</div></div>

Where the hell are you hearing Neal to LTIR? That's completely unfounded.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr 15 at 4:26
Thread: Blown Up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Copenhagen</b></div><div>2013-14 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 82 23 39 62 22 11 7 2 2 4 4
2014-15 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 82 22 59 81 78 1 -- -- -- -- --
2015-16 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 73 11 44 55 38 -5 6 1 0 1 4
2016-17 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 82 20 41 61 56 -24 -- -- -- -- --
2017-18 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 82 20 65 85 50 10 6 0 3 3 6
2018-19 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 78 20 46 66 25 -16 -- -- -- -- --
2019-20 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 69 12 44 56 31 14 15 4 5 9 24
2020-21 Philadelphia Flyers NHL 39 7 25 32 12 -10 '

Look at his goals, look at his points. If you cant see it, than I dont know what to say dude.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Copenhagen</b></div><div>Even Neal had more goals than him last year and he was hurt part of the year and I dont want him on the oilers either</div></div>

Either take into consideration his games played and the fact that he's nearly a point-per-game player or I'm going to infract you for trolling.

You're absolutely allowed to dislike the player or his cap hit, but this half-assed attempt at claiming Voracek is over the hill is ridiculous. Come back with a real argument or piss off.