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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching

Feb. 20 at 10:56 p.m.
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At this point, we all have a pretty good idea who's going to be in the conversation for the Hart and it's that time of year again... So here's my hart list (top 10) if I could vote (Feel free to quote this post and make your own!)

1. Auston Matthews
2. Nathan Mackinnon
3. Nikita Kucherov
4. Cale Makar
5. Quinn Hughes
6. Connor McDavid
7. David Pastrnak
8. Sam Reinhart
9. Thacher Demko
10. Artemi Panarin


The league has famously kind of used other rewards to justify where the Hart goes. If Kucherov gets the Art Ross and Matthews the Rocket, then MacKinnon is likely getting the Hart. If Mackinnon wins the scoring race then it'll be Kucherov that gets league MVP. The Selke nominations kind of follow this pattern too (early congrats to Barkov now that Bergeron is no more)

If McDavid (and I think he could legitimately cruise at 2.00ppg for the rest of the season) wins the scoring title then I think Matthews gets the MVP apropos of Colorado was making the playoffs anyways and Kucherov didn't buy himself any voter favour with his half-assed All-Star appearance.
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Feb. 21 at 7:31 a.m.
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3 way monster deal proposal:

Stl gets Clayton Keller.

Ari gets zegras and stuff from stl

Ana gets stuff from stl.

Nothing off limits.



How valuable is the Stanley cup winners 1st round draft pick?

Of all NHLers there are only 4 active players who were selected 32nd. There are 6 active players who were selected 31.

Christian Fischer, Shane pinto, Matthias Samuelsson, Conor Timins were selected 32.

That’s it. How many of them make the nhl if not for expansion and corona cap? 1?
Feb. 21 at 9:58 a.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
MacKinnon
Kucherov
Makar
Hughes
Reinhart
Greig
Matthews
McDavid
Hellebuyck
Panarin


Greig?
Feb. 21 at 10:06 a.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
The league has famously kind of used other rewards to justify where the Hart goes. If Kucherov gets the Art Ross and Matthews the Rocket, then MacKinnon is likely getting the Hart. If Mackinnon wins the scoring race then it'll be Kucherov that gets league MVP. The Selke nominations kind of follow this pattern too (early congrats to Barkov now that Bergeron is no more)

If McDavid (and I think he could legitimately cruise at 2.00ppg for the rest of the season) wins the scoring title then I think Matthews gets the MVP apropos of Colorado was making the playoffs anyways and Kucherov didn't buy himself any voter favour with his half-assed All-Star appearance.


That's fair opinion, but Matthews seems to be a near lock for the Rocket trophy, so does that mean he's hoping that McDavid goes nuclear to have any chance at the Hart? Or is he hoping Toronto comes out of nowhere are wins the division with him being the reason?

What's the assessment? Most valuable player? Than that depends who you ask... Most valuable player to his own team? How much worse is team x without player y?

I think this is what makes the Hart trophy race so interesting this year... Is Mackinnon a franchise player? 100%! But does he impact Colorado more then Matthews would with Toronto?

Then you have all other factors too... Defensive play, line mates, Goals vs Assists, PP vs EV points, etc
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Feb. 21 at 11:56 a.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
MacKinnon
Kucherov
Makar
Hughes
Reinhart
Greig
Matthews
McDavid
Hellebuyck
Panarin


Beautiful
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Feb. 21 at 5:28 p.m.
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Seeing how horrible the new MLB kits are make me extremely nervous about the next 10 years of NHL uniforms under those bumbling idiots at Fanatics.

Going to be a long, long decade
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Feb. 21 at 5:30 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Seeing how horrible the new MLB kits are make me extremely nervous about the next 10 years of NHL uniforms under those bumbling idiots at Fanatics.

Going to be a long, long decade


Good thing I bought all the jerseys I need and NHL artists cant seem to design good newstyle jerseys anymore lul.
Feb. 21 at 5:57 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
That's fair opinion, but Matthews seems to be a near lock for the Rocket trophy, so does that mean he's hoping that McDavid goes nuclear to have any chance at the Hart? Or is he hoping Toronto comes out of nowhere are wins the division with him being the reason?

What's the assessment? Most valuable player? Than that depends who you ask... Most valuable player to his own team? How much worse is team x without player y?

I think this is what makes the Hart trophy race so interesting this year... Is Mackinnon a franchise player? 100%! But does he impact Colorado more then Matthews would with Toronto?

Then you have all other factors too... Defensive play, line mates, Goals vs Assists, PP vs EV points, etc


Matthews' biggest hang-up to being a lock for the Hart is the whole "who's turn is it" debate that the NHL Writers Association have to (stupidly) factor in to every debate. Of the four names in question, MacKinnon is the only one who hasn't won it yet.

We know the Rocket is essentially locked up: Matthews is going to be taking home hardware. Having thought about it a bit more, I think Nate only wins the Hart outright now if he also wins the scoring race and that the PHWA would never vote for Kucherov to win the Hart after his All-Star appearance. I'm also not trying to account for the standings because I think the PHWA doing so is also a boneheaded move but will do so below. Thus I think the breakdown is as such:

1. If MacKinnon wins the Art Ross, he also wins the Hart, circumspect of just being a dominant player this season.
2. If Kucherov wins the Art Ross and Tampa Bay is in a divisional playoff spot, then I think it's a 50-50 between MacKinnon and Matthews.
3. If Kucherov wins the Art Ross and Tampa Bay is in a wildcard spot, I think the field of MacKinnon, Matthews, and McDavid is fair game strictly because the PHWA is going to have a vendetta against Kucherov. If there is no vendetta, then Kucherov should be winning the Hart in this case.
4. If McDavid wins the Art Ross and Toronto is in a divisional playoff spot, McDavid wins the Hart with factors of a torrid late pace and the diminished factor of Matthews' importance to the Leafs' success.
5. If McDavid wins the Art Ross and Toronto is in a wildcard spot, then I think it's a 50-50 between Matthews and McDavid.
6. All points are moot if Matthews scores 76 or more goals to tie/break the "modern" mark set by Mogilny and Selanne, as the Hart sort of has to go his way at that point.
Feb. 21 at 7:36 p.m.
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WiFi w/ the Howitzer!!
1-0 Habs!
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Feb. 21 at 7:45 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
MacKinnon
Kucherov
Makar
Hughes
Reinhart
Greig
Matthews
McDavid
Hellebuyck
Panarin


I see you put Greig in there as a joke, but even without him, you have Matthews outside your top 5. I'm not criticizing but curious: What's your reasoning for that? Is the whole think a joke, or am I missing something?
Feb. 21 at 7:51 p.m.
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I see you put Greig in there as a joke, but even without him, you have Matthews outside your top 5. I'm not criticizing but curious: What's your reasoning for that? Is the whole think a joke, or am I missing something?


I didn’t number them. Looking like MacKinnon, Kucherov are good bets to finalists…one of McDavid, Matthews, Hughes probably as third guy.
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Feb. 21 at 8:00 p.m.
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I didn’t number them. Looking like MacKinnon, Kucherov are good bets to finalists…one of McDavid, Matthews, Hughes probably as third guy.


That makes sense. If I had to guess, Matthews is pretty much guaranteed to be a finalist if he scores 70+
Feb. 21 at 8:58 p.m.
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Did Tuch just score on a NO-LOOK-BREAKAWAY!
Sure LOOKED like it - get it!!!
cool
Feb. 21 at 9:42 p.m.
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Still early but man looking like ANA won the Drysdale for Gautier trade

Flyers outscored 10 to 3 when hes on the ice

And has a 41% xGoal share (last on team)

Good news hes 21 but needs to figure it out soon
Feb. 21 at 9:49 p.m.
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Habs apparently shopping Jordan Harris ahead of TDL

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Feb. 21 at 10:00 p.m.
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Habs apparently shopping Jordan Harris ahead of TDL

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Idk how much someone will give but I could see a team with a tonne of picks add him. Maybe ARI they got so many picks lul.
Feb. 21 at 10:15 p.m.
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Pregame DeBrusk on DeBrusk was Hawkey GOLD!
Feb. 21 at 10:18 p.m.
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Habs apparently shopping Jordan Harris ahead of TDL

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I just saw that UBI injury hit he took early in the season - whoa!
Feb. 21 at 10:18 p.m.
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Edited Feb. 21 at 11:53 p.m.
Matthews has 50 goals jesus

Like rn its (he scored again...)

51 goals Matthews
39 goals Reinhart
36 goals Kucherov
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Feb. 21 at 10:32 p.m.
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Morgan Geekie is looking like the sweet late bloomer you gotta love!
His game is fun to watch, setting career best-of's............


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End of 1 @ 1-1
Getting into Playoff Game mode; McLovin' It!
Feb. 21 at 11:44 p.m.
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Matthews has 50 goals jesus

Like rn its

50 goals Matthews
39 goals Reinhart
36 goals Kucherov


We on hatty watch lul
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Feb. 21 at 11:56 p.m.
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We on hatty watch lul


Matthews on hat trick watch.
Foegele says "hold my beer".
Columbus and Anaheim taking turns forgetting to tank.
Feb. 21 at 11:58 p.m.
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Matthews on hat trick watch.
Foegele says "hold my beer".
Columbus and Anaheim taking turns forgetting to tank.


Should have put Matthews Hatty watch again.... lul

Like if he gets it = 3 of his last 4 games which is stupid funny
Feb. 22 at 12:07 a.m.
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Should have put Matthews Hatty watch again.... lul

Like if he gets it = 3 of his last 4 games which is stupid funny


Too bad he couldn't have done 3 in a row for a ... hat turkey?

He's already matched his career high of 6 (4-way tie for 11th with Gretzky and Lemieux x2).
One more ties him for 6th. The record is 10 (by Wayne Gretzky twice).
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Feb. 22 at 12:29 a.m.
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Idk how much someone will give but I could see a team with a tonne of picks add him. Maybe ARI they got so many picks lul.


Give us a 2nd for Harris and I'll take it as a W
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