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Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 18, 2019 at 11:42 a.m.
Thread: Hated by the lotto gods
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>Saw what you did with the goalies. You freaky and I like you a lot.

Larkin deal is just savage though.</div></div>

lol thanks, can't say I expect Joe to actually do something like this...but I was curious to see how things would look if we traded for a goalie solution and sold off Varly &amp; Gru to backfill some futures. And the Larkin part is just for funsies, as I can't see them giving him up.

...even if they'd probably be better off leaning into the tank for a couple more seasons with something like this that let them add Timmins, Cozens / Dach / Turcotte &amp; a 2nd, as well as their own picks (which should net them Byram as well), to their fast-improving prospect pool. Given that Larkin will be approaching his next contract &amp; will be well into his prime-years by the time they get it turned around, I think there's some logic to selling high on him. Especially when they still need to be absolutely awful for another 2 seasons if they want to set themselves up to be more than just a perennial 1st round exit...like they had been for years before being forced to start this rebuild...and if you're going to rebuild for the first time since the 80s, shouldn't that be the goal?


But regardless of how much sense I think it would make, it's crazy unlikely. So hopefully the lotto gods just decide to make up for 2017 &amp; we don't even need to trade for a dynamic 1b Center that we can anchor the second line around lol.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 8, 2019 at 4:35 p.m.
Thread: boom
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JeffW</b></div><div>I really hope rantanen doesnt cost that much</div></div>
At this point, I'm just hoping that we're able to lock him in with something that only starts with a 9. If we can convince him to take the Kucherov deal &amp; he doesn't want 10+ per, I'll be thrilled.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WallStreet83</b></div><div>How on Earth would this help Dallas? I don't know if you've but Dallas has a hard time scoring goals and losing Radulov would implode the team. Value wise it's ok though.</div></div>
A) this was just to help visualize our financial possibilities if there was a trade out there that swapped Jost with a pair of 2nds or a 2nd &amp; 3rd for the kind of guy that we pray Jost develops into...or an upgrade even on that, as I'll take Sasha over the early-Minnesota-era Parise that Jost has the potential to become once he's done filling out, polishing his stride, and gets his confidence at the NHL level once finally paired with a highend Center.

B) Radu is my favorite hockey player, so at the time I was hoping that the stars would totally implode and decide to re-align their timeline around Heiskanen...and so wanting to turn a guy who's a decade older than the young Finn, into a kid closer to Miro's age who is growing into a skilled scoring line winger with a good two-way game + some useful (though not premium) picks to throw at some high upside projects. But unfortunately you guys just had to keep being a good hockey team...jerks...
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 22, 2018 at 8:39 p.m.
Thread: Drae amp Silfy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>you moved out 3 or 4 nhlers in the next year or 2 for one....how is the depth better?</div></div>

Quality. A Jost - Drae - Silfy 2nd line is a significant upgrade on Jost - Kerfoot - OTT pick/FA. And having a 2nd scoring line that we could rely on would ease the burden on the bottom 6. In this trade we're losing a 2nd liner, a streaky top 9er, a bottom 6er who's playing poorly, and a RHD prospect that we don't need to bank on with EJ / Barrie / Makar / Meloche still on the right side of the blueline even after this trade. Which is not a problem at all for a franchise that's rich in bottom 9ers and B-prospects, but lacks elite upside beyond the bottle kids or the blueliners.

PS Nieto to me isn't worth his salary. He's a capable PKer &amp; 4th liner, like Gork, but that's worth about half his salary. So I don't view him as an NHLer going out, and instead he's a minor cap-dump IMO; which is why I view it as: we'd be paying the OTT 1st + Timms to upgrade Kerf &amp; Ghetto to Drae &amp; Silfy, if that 2nd FRP is dropped like it is in my latest tweak. And that's a swap I make comfortably.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 22, 2018 at 1:21 p.m.
Thread: Drae amp Silfy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>You dont move Kerfoot Timmins or the Otts 1st round pick...its that simple.
You are destroying the Avs depth, future, and cap space.

Its a bad trade</div></div>

? The depth is better after this trade; with a much stronger second scoring line that could make life easier on the bottle kids and the bottom 6ers, without compromising our blueline...and what kind of future is better than contending for the cup with a young team that's just come into its own?


As for the cap situation; it's actually pretty clean for the foreseeable future: nearly 20M with which to re-sign Barrie, Girard, Jost, Meloche &amp; Greer in 2020...figure 12-13M for Barrie &amp; Girard, leaving 7-8M for Jost, 'Loche &amp; AJG, which should be plenty, even if it means we'd have to bridge Jost if he has too big a breakout on that line...and then Calvert &amp; Cole's money (~9M) comes off the books when Landy, Kam &amp; Jimmothy need raises in 2021. After which point we'll almost certainly be on a new CBA, making it impossible to plan for completely.

...and this is ignoring any potential cap spike from another Expansion Franchise in a good market entering the picture.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 22, 2018 at 1:16 p.m.
Thread: Drae amp Silfy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Ya but Timmins, Kerfoot and 2 1sts is too much. I think Colorado would go straight to Edmonton with Barrie ++ for Draisaitl instead</div></div>

Yeah, that 2nd 1st I don't think would be necessary if Timmins recovers...and if he doesn't he wouldn't have any value to be included in this trade. But I use this thing to play through hypotheticals, so I tend to err on the side of having to pay more than I expect / the worser case scenario.

As for Barrie, I was trying to come up with a trade that let the avs build a package for Drae without Tyson. Having Barrie, Girard or Makar on the ice at all times would be huge for the Avs push for the cup. This is part of why overpaying in futures to get Drae was less of an issue for me.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 22, 2018 at 1:12 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 9, 2018 at 2:35 p.m.
Thread: Drai is Bae
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>Bye bye Rantanen?</div></div>

Nah, just Varly, Wilson, Nemeth &amp; Ghetto.

~25M (depending on how much the cap rises) would be more than enough to lockdown Rantanen &amp; Zadorov while bringing back Francouz / Compher / Kamenev / Greer. I'm guessing around 9-9.5M for Mikko, 4-4.25M for Zads and &lt;2M for Francouz, as the upper limts of what may need to be saved for those guys...Compher I'd expect to get a Andrighetto-like deal, with Kamenev getting costing even less. Which could leave the team with enough cap space to sign Stone or Panarin in FA, if they were interested in Colorado...or more realistically Silfverberg...on top of keeping the guys they'd want to keep.

...and that's without dumping Barberio (1.45M x 1yr), Nieto (1.975M x 1yr), or Calvert (2.875M x 2yr) next summer for extra wiggle room.

The absolute worst case scenario would mean chopping Barrie next summer; the way he did Duchene &amp; O'Reilly; or dumping Cole in 2020. But that would mean Girard continuing to be amazing, Jost breaking out in a big way on Drae's wing, and Barrie having a career year; which would be one of them good problems.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 9, 2018 at 2:19 p.m.
Thread: Drae
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>By the way, as I said PROBABLY fair value. On a re-think I'd probably say drop the COL 1st. Reason being that as you say Barrie is close to if not elite as a puck moving attacking D, and exactly what EDM needs. Kerfoot &amp; Andrighetto are the icing on the cake. I'm not saying EDM would take the trade but I think the first is probably too much.



Yo what are you smoking if you think it's the Pens when it's the Sens!</div></div>

If they were looking to move him, then you're probably right that Barrie, Kerf &amp; Ghetto would be pretty fair. But I don't like assuming that "Chia is gunna Chia" and move a guy that he should be holding onto for dear life, for fair value. So I think we'd need to add the pick to incentivize them to pull the trigger even if it could be argued to be an overpay.

The price is steep, but the team has an asset with a farm system that is already very well stocked. So a consolidation-trade for a young star who could be added to the young core to solve the team's scoring depth woes, would be just what the doctor ordered. And IMO Leon's the best guy who it could make sense for his team to trade, who's young enough to fit with our core, and who's ready to start competing immediately...as that roster would be only a little playoff experience away from being genuine cup contenders. He's produced at a 70+ point pace away from McD, he's stepped up bigly in the postseason, he has size, speed, skill &amp; creativity out the ass, and he's the perfect age to move forward with MacK, Mikko, etc. So I wouldn't complain about "overpaying" like this if it got us such a perfect fit...just like I wouldn't complain about adding the Ottawa pick to Barrie/Makar if Florida lost their minds and started taking offers for Barkov lol
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 6, 2018 at 12:02 p.m.
Thread: Drae
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>The Oilers trade is probably fair value, the Senators trade......the Avs ain't gonna fleece them a second time!</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingsLover</b></div><div>Yo what are u smoking if u think the Pens and Oilers are gonna accept those trades.</div></div>

The oilers proposal is the one that would be an actual trade, the sens one was just to make it easier for me to visualize the cap situation moving forward after the oilers trade.

I was curious how the cap situation would play out if the avs followed the Edmonton trade up by signing Stone as a Free Agent in the summer...letting Wilson, Nemeth &amp; Varlamov walk to help open the money up with which to bring Stone in while extending Rantanen / Zadorov / Francouz / etc.


On the oilers trade my thinking was simple; their transition game drops off terribly when McDavid isn’t on the ice. In large part because their blueliners aren’t dynamic enough and won’t be until Bouchard is ready to launch pinpoint stretch passes shift after shift. Enter Tyson Barrie, one of the game’s premier ES drivers from the blueline who is absolutely elite in transition. He’s exactly what that blueline core lacks and would help make the oilers other three lines more productive.

With Kerfoot &amp; Andrighetto adding some much needed speed &amp; skill to their forward core. Plus the 1st could be used to add to their pipeline in this forward rich draft, or to make further trades with which to speed up &amp; upgrade the talent of their supporting forwards even more.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 5, 2018 at 2:19 p.m.
Thread: Trocheck
If Sakic is going to get the kind of star Center who can anchor a scoring line and fits the young core's age range ideally, he's going to have to use that Ottawa pick, Barrie, or Makar as the centerpiece. For me, Makar is a lot more of a no-go than the Ottawa pick...even if they are as bad as all of us hope...in large part because of how both fit the team's timeline with that sweetheart MacKinnon-contract. So it's either something around the Ottawa pick or Barrie...depending on whether the team we're trading with wants more of hockey-trade or more of a future's trade...that makes the most sense to give this team the last key piece that's missing from truly contending. And I don't think Florida would be looking for a hockey trade if they moved Trocheck.

Edmonton is Sakic's best bet at prying out the kind of stud Center we need with a Barrie-based hockey trade IMO.

Plus using the Sens pick instead of Barrie to add this missing piece, lets the Avs make the most of MacKinnon's steal of a contract by opening their window this season. As the team has a dominant top line, a tough checking line lead by soda, excellent goalie depth, a good set of blueliner that could become extremely good if Makar hits the ground running when his college season ends, good special teams, and only lacks that one dynamic top liner to anchor a second reliable scoring line. If they had a Trocheck or Draisaitl caliber Center to anchor that 2nd line this season, playoff experience would be the only thing between them &amp; a cup.