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Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 27, 2019 at 12:53 a.m.
Thread: Zuck JPG amp Murray
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WellIDK</b></div><div>Well I expect Cole - Johnson to be the 1st pair in the playoffs like last year. You can put Zadorov with Makar on the 2nd pair and let Graves play 3rd or something. IMO the 1st round pick in the upcoming draft is more valuable than gambling on Murray to be in good form and stay healthy.

As for Burakovsky. Have you seen him play for the Caps? If you did, you know he has been one of the best Caps in the past two postseasons. Sure his production wasn't good at the Caps since he showed just flashes of what he's capable of. But his playoff performances were simply great. He's been good st the Avs and he has done a good job on both the MacKinnon and Kadri line. BTW, Zucker is more like a 20-25 goalscorer. Burakovsky can score that much too</div></div>
...cole &amp; ej were our 3rd pairing last spring -- averaging less than 15 min of 5on5 time in the playoffs -- and by far our worst unit; consistently getting pinned in their own end because they couldn't get the puck out of the zone without icing it. Those two were little more than PK-specialists; now I hope they would be better this go around with EJ (hopefully) healthier &amp; more able to skate the puck out, but that's far from a guarantee...

Unfortunately, Zadorov's regular brainfarts have meant that he &amp; Makar haven't actually worked well together so far. I have no doubts that (in time) Cale will become good enough to make up for someone as unreliable as Zads (unfortunately) still is...like Barrie used to do once he got past the early-season funk he seemed to face every year...but that's a lot to ask of a rookie. And it's yet another risk that we should be able to afford to eliminate without touching Byram / Timmins / Newhook or those future 1sts' who will still be on their ELCs when upcoming extensions bring us right up to the cap.

Watching Bura play for the caps is why I'm worried about the 20-30 game coldstreaks that have plagued his career thus far lol. Zucker is generally a much more reliable finisher &amp; is actually a nifty forechecker...unlike Bura, who's beyond useless away from the puck...
Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 26, 2019 at 2:31 p.m.
Thread: Zuck JPG amp Murray
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WellIDK</b></div><div>Would only consider that Ottawa deal. Think Jost isn't going to get into the top 6 and even top 9 is a tough battle for him.

But those other trades... Especially Bura for Zucker. Just keep Burakovsky. Also I would keep Graves to pair with Makar since they have been playing good together IMO. Zadorov would be expandable to me if Byram is ready next year</div></div>
Heading into the playoffs with Graves on the top pairing is just asking for trouble IMO. He has done an admirable job so far, but he's playing over his head and the longer you ask him to continue doing so, the more likely you are to run into trouble. And if we wait until we run into those problems, we may no longer be able to do anything to address them before the playoffs kick-off. Similar thing with Bura as our 5th best forward. He's done well for us so far, but there is always the risk that he won't bounceback quickly from his next coldstreak (like he has been doing thus far) &amp; he's just dreadful against the puck...genuinely one of the worst defensive forwards we've ever had that was a full-time NHLer.

Zucker's checked out in Minny and Murray's as likely to break on any given night as EJ...but when on form -- as being traded to us should rejuvenate him the way being traded to a playoff team has rejuvenated Hall -- Zucker's a much more reliable goalscorer than Bura, whose forechecking provides a lot more against the puck, and when healthy, Murray is a rich man's Graves...better defensively (especially in transition), a more reliable outlet passer (meaning fewer silly turnovers), and a decisively better skater. Obviously there's the health risk with Murray, but if he wasn't injury prone he wouldn't be gettable at a reasonable price...and we wouldn't need to condition the pick on his health.

I wouldn't re-sign Zucker or Murray past their current deals...though I'd happily give Pageau the ~5.25 per he's failing to get out of Ottawa if the term is only 4-5 years (preferably 4)...but for the rest of their current deals both would fit our style really well and address two of our three most exigent question marks until the kids are ready to take those jobs for themselves.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 15, 2019 at 5:53 p.m.
Thread: Zadorov backfill
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zhaavs</b></div><div>I’m all for Rakell, but we’d be selling low on Jost. He actually played pretty well in the playoffs and lets be honest, didn’t have much talent around him.

Playing with Kadri, Donskoi, Bura should set him up better than last year to break out. If he can get to 45-50 points I’d be very happy.

I do think that Jost becomes tradable if he has a meh season. It’s really nice to have Newhook in the system now!

Mack
Newhook/Jost
Kadri

Will be the best center core in the league in 2 years.</div></div>

Oh this hypothetical trade came up from a discussion of what we were hoping might happen around the TDL and I was assuming that Jost was pacing for 40+ as our 3c, to make that package tempting enough for them to consider giving us Rakell. But I'm not a believer in Jost's skating letting him make that kind of two-way impact in a top 6 role...at least not with how fast we play. Playing 3rd line minutes against bottom 6 competition? He can thrive in that role, as we saw down the stretch, but he was dealing with 13 minutes a game, not 16-17...and those against inferior skaters.

Now for a team who plays a lot slower, like Anaheim, I think he could cut it as their 2C behind Getzlaf/Zegras if he has a good summer &amp; builds off of last season. But I fear that we play too fast for top 6 minutes not to wear him out, and he hasn't played as well on the wing...where his skating is less of a drain on his game. So we'll have to see if he can crack our top 6 that way...even if I'm not expecting all that much from Bura and, despiting liking Donskoi, I realize that he's a middle-6er not a legit scoring liner.

Which is why I'd like to combine some of our assets into a single piece like Rakell; who could be that 5th quality scoring liner for us, that all of the teams who've won multiple cups have had.


As for Newhook, I think the idea/hope is to prepare him to take over for Kadri when it comes to decide between giving Nazem 9per or letting him go. So we can give Newhook a year or two in college before starting him off on the wing of one of the top 6 lines, before transitioning to C...kinda like the way MacK's NHL development was handled with Staz centering him in his rookie year.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 3, 2019 at 1:15 p.m.
Thread: Hayes Kap Zuck
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JeffW</b></div><div>I'll be honest I dont get to see kapanen a while lot but from what I've seen of the guy he sat at the blueline against the avs and waited for a stretch pass... I agree about jost and kerfoot, not so much about Zucker, guy got 30 goals the season before his deal, before that he was a 20g guy after that back to 20g.. it looks like the avs will be in on hayes, hes big, but that's all I really know about him, stats arent that impressive... when you're use to have stastny, duchene, oreilly down the middle, or duchene MacKinnon, it's hard to accept a less skilled guy take that spot</div></div>
He's been regularly potting 20 -- including nabbing 21 in 51 -- on a Wild team that has not scored nearly as many goals as we have been scoring since MacK's breakout and they've played at a much slower pace than we do...which doesn't fit Zucker's game nearly as well as Bednar's up-tempo brand of hockey would...and then there's the matter of even his best common-linemates in Minnesota not having been anywhere near the same quality as MacK n Landy; on top of not fitting his game as well as 92 &amp; 29 would; which is a big part of me suggesting he could hit 30 again for us, as he's really good at finishing those greasier chances that we saw falling to Kerf seemingly every other period...as well as pouncing on turnovers to burn teams in transition.

If instead of putting Zuck on that line we kept 9296 together and rolled out a more defensive 2nd line with Zucker - Hayes - Kapanen, then I don't think he'd break 30 again, but even in that situation he'd be good for 20+ goals and that line could be very effective as a suped up version of the Calvert - Soderberg - LBN (Longbeach-native) line...although personally I don't want the big line to be a regularity for us as much as a weapon to save for when we're chasing a goal or need to shake things up.


RE Kap: I enjoyed watching the way Toronto played a lot this season, so caught about 20 games of theirs...and the impression I came away with about Kapanen was that he looked an awful lot like the guy that I was telling my Sabres-fan friends Compher could become for them, when Buffalo first drafted him...as I was living in Buffalo at the time &amp; was high on the Compher, Zadorov &amp; Girgensens picks they made. Using his speed to get on the puck quickly on the forecheck, in transition, &amp; on the PK; while having a good (right-handed) shot that he was aggressive about utilizing. I'm sure he had some down games -- especially in the middle parts of the season -- but from what I saw he'd be a good 3rd wheel to Mikko &amp; Hayes on the 2nd line; who could use his speed to win pucks back for them while having the hands to finish any high-grade scoring-chances that they crafted for him.

OT, but Toronto's kid who most stood out to me (outside of the big names) had to have been Dermott. He was looking like an excellent modern top 4 guy in the making and I really hope he can recover from that brutal injury...even if we can't steal him on the cheap as cover for any contract-issues with Zads, before that happens lol.


Hayes has some Soda to him, but he's a lot better defensively, a decisively more skilled playmaker...which is why his pt totals didn't start to really take off until he got promoted to NYR's top 6 these past 2 seasons, whereas soda can bang home his 40+ points even with stone-handed grinders...and stoner-Hayes is nowhere near as mean/angry as the cyclops lol. The big fella is very pass-first though, so I would want to pair him with Mikko...who needs to use his lethal shot even more than he does...and a speedy goalscorer like Kapanen; who could focus on winning pucks back &amp; finishing what those two giants created for him.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 2, 2019 at 8:29 p.m.
Thread: Hayes Kap Zuck
For folks saying that's not enough for Zucker; a lot of Wild fans have responded positively to that suggestion as is, without pushback.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JeffW</b></div><div>Am I the only person that thinks Zucker isnt worth a 1st rd pick? Kerfoot and kapanen are basically the same player.

Why does everyone think the avs want to collect all the 40 pt players in the league and pay them more than they are worth? When they have the space and need for higher skilled players</div></div>
I think you underestimate a) how good Zucker is and b) how good a fit he would be for our team...especially if he was paired with MacK n Landy on the top line; so that all of those chances that Kerf squandered for us this past postseason, would instead be falling to a guy who really knows how to finish and has a 30 goals season under his belt already. Plus the way he uses his speed on the forecheck would help those two in a way Kerf doesn't; as it would create more turnovers for them to pounce on and extend OZone time for that line.

Similar thing with Kapanen v Kerfoot; the pt-totals may not suggest a big difference, but Kapanen is much better against the puck (both 5on5 &amp; on the PK), he can score...which our top 6 lacks and would continue to lack with the addition of the pass-first Hayes...and, again, his game just screams Bednar and the way he wants us to play in a way Kerf just doesn't with his ineffectiveness in puck battles neutering his utility on the forecheck &amp; cycle.

These moves aren't a super-sexy-dream-scenario, but: Hayes is a fully capable 2C, who would fill our biggest hole through most of the window that MacK's sweetheart deal creates for us, perfectly well, while being able to handle a heavier defensive workload; Kap is basically what we hope Jimmothy Timmothy develops into if all goes perfectly...and Zucker is an upgraded version of that same archetype; who I am confident would put up 30 again if he spent most of his time on our top line, and he would do so while making life easier on those two &amp; freeing Mikko up to drive the 2nd line except when we really needed that big-line-magic.

The most appealing thing about this scenario for me would be that all three carry reasonable enough acquisition costs for there to be some chance of us actually getting all 3...and not entering yet another season hoping that someone can step up to fill a top 6 spot. Which would mean all of our good-bottom-6ers would actually get to stay in the bottom 6, and not be overplayed in positions they can't thrive in for long.

...like Jost, he was looking great playing 13 minutes a night against 3rd liners this past postseason, but if you had asked him to play 16+ minutes a night against top 6 opposition, his skating limitations would have become more of an issue &amp; there's a very good chance that we would not have seen him finish the campaign on such a high note...or inversely with Soda; who was hot-garbage in the playoffs after getting over-worked all season and then was asked to do more than he was capable of by needing to center Mikko's line. But keep him at the 3C, playing his heavy game on a checking line with some wingers that are ready to grind, and he'd give us an advantage at that spot against most teams that we'd run into.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 23, 2019 at 11:54 p.m.
Thread: Test
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Poehling</b></div><div>CAR decline
NYI laugh to dead
COL accept laughts to dead</div></div>
The Carolina &amp; NYI trades already went through and I'm trying to reroute Jost + a 2nd for Roslovic in the Colorado one *shrug*

...also have some talks going to move up from #16 if Podkolzin or Caufield slides out of the top 6.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey44</b></div><div>Testing to see how triggered you can make people by these awful ideas?</div></div>
Testing out how things would look after some trades I'm discussing in a mock offseason, but that haven't been completed yet...which is why I'm not including them in the version I did for display in our game.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rusty_Shackelford</b></div><div>Considering Barratt had surgery and is returning to school.... Mitchell has also announced he's returning, I'm not sure I should go past that section</div></div>
That's not the roster for next season...as Zegras is playing at least one season in college, and needs 2; and Pod isn't coming to NA before his contract expires in two seasons either.

I just wanted to visualize the roster of the future...since I'm obviously not trying to leave the rebuild for another couple seasons.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 19, 2019 at 12:52 p.m.
Thread: Capspace
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tydini11</b></div><div>Honestly, what actually is the difference between an estimate and a guesstimate...aren't they both just guesses?</div></div>An estimate is actually supposed to be based a lot more on using the existing evidence to calculate/project the expected result...whereas a guess is much more loose in the amount of evidence/data it needs to be founded in. So I like to use guestimate jokingly when talking about things that can't necessarily be calculated out beforehand.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>what the heck are you doing with those UFAs? Only Frankie would be signed and that's to be back up on the Avs.

Too light on Compher, where is Kerfoot? A little light on Zadorov as well. Im very confused by all this</div></div> Do you see any of them but the Frenchmen on the NHL roster? I tried to fill out the Loveland roster using current Eagles...without including any unfinalized NCAA FAs...even though it won't be all of those guys specifically; as Graves will almost certainly get a better opportunity from some other franchise and I can't imagine we'll offer Warsofsky the kind of money he can get in Europe. Picks is just a stand-in for the kind of generic #3 with NHL experience that we're likely to look for since we didn't get a chance to test-drive Frank as the NHL-backup this season.

Compher doesn't have the #s to demand drastically more, despite being one of my favorite depth avs...who (like Zads) was one of my favorite Sabres' prospects when I lived in Buffalo prior to the ROR trade. I can see an AAV as high as 2.875M for him, but he just wasn't able to sustain his early season production after coming back from his injury and his two way play still needs polish at this level before he can crack 3 as a complementary guy with #s like his. So this doesn't feel significantly light.

Similar story with Zads, he just doesn't have the comparables to get much more, with 4.25M per being about the ceiling that he could get from the arbiter if he didn't wanna sign a longer term deal this summer. Now with the KHL threat he could be able to leverage something closer to 4.25 than the high 3s I have him signing in, but like with Jimmothy he just doesn't have the #s &amp; comps to get much more at this point...and neither is the caliber of core piece that you pay for potential unless you're in rush for the cap hell that we're going to face eventually anyway.

And we just don't see Kerf the same way; so I didn't include the 4-4.75M (that he has the #s to get in arbitration) in this guestimate on the capspace we should have with which to build the kind of roster I want to see put together for next season...aka one which isn't paying Kerf 4M+

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>rmaccallum</b></div><div>You should be Francouz’s agent</div></div> Phenomenal KHL resume, phenomenal AHL resume, phenomenal for the czechs at prior WHCs, and he looked as good as expected during his brief relief appearance in the NHL. I don't know **** about goalie technique and assessing how their games will translate to higher levels, but despite his unorthodox style my goalie-guy has high praise for the translatability of Francouz's game. Throw in the rich KHL teams that we had to fight off for him last summer, 's offers and over 2M to get him to sign a 2 year deal isn't exactly out there.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 7, 2019 at 12:05 p.m.
Thread: adsas
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LittleBuddha</b></div><div>What do you mean? They did it last year with Orpik. He was 36 or 37. They just take the full cap hit but he does not have to be on the roster.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>Can't buyout a 35+ contract and can't send Marleau down. Not saying it's not a bad move, but reality is, he's on the roster.</div></div>
He means that you don't get any cap-benefits from buying out a 35+ deal like we would buying out a normal deal...like EJ's contract, which can be bought out before the expansion draft if he won't waive his NTC and we'd only have to eat 2M on our books (for 4 years) rather than the full 6M (for 2 years) that we'd have to if he were on a 35+ contract.

Although this doesn't really matter for us since there's just 1 year left on Marleau's deal and we should still be able to squeeze everyone in, even with his dead-money on the books. Granted I'm just assuming that Marleau doesn't have enough left in the tank to play a role in our up-tempo scheme, because I haven't paid much attention to him this year. If I'm mistaken on that and he's worth keeping on the roster, then that just helps our depth as AJG could go back to the Eagles until any injuries give him his next opportunity...the way Meloche would be waiting to pounce on that 3rd pairing spot on the right.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 3, 2019 at 11:04 a.m.
Thread: Rakell and Hayes
Y'all are under-rating Rakell; he might well be our 3rd best forward, if acquired.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>Over payment for Rackell and why did you just give away Kerfoot for nothing when he has been such a good player for the Avs. Dont understand that move at all</div></div>
As for Kerf, it's because I don't want to be the team that pays him what he can get with those #s. Kerf is a passable 2nd liner on a rebuilding team like Parenteau, Gagner &amp; Spooner before him, but he just doesn't do anything well enough to have a spot on a good team unless he's the worst guy in your top 6 and the other 5 guys are all stars because his shot is such a muffin, he's so useless in board battles, and he's a liability defensively. Yes he can carry the puck out of the zone and he's a capable passer, but he's simply not a 4M dollar player on a team that's trying to win.

So if we could turn him into a couple top 100 picks and stick someone else with that contract, we should jump on the opportunity.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 3, 2019 at 10:19 a.m.
Thread: Test
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McRanteskog</b></div><div>In my mind we go grab Skinner and resign Wilson (IF the price is right):

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Kerfoot - no change here
Skinner - Soderberg - Rantanen - only change is grabbing Skinner at LW (Avs need/can afford a big scorer)
Wilson - Jost - Compher - Wilson is a quality 3rd line guy (experience/physical/can score) ; Jost gets 3rd line minutes with talented wingers; Compher 2way guy with skill
Nieto - Kamanev - Calvert - solid quality wingers to "shield" Kamanev as he learns.

On D:
Girard - EJ - offensively skilled skating puck mover with a physical stay at home type
Zadorov - Barrie - physical stay at home type guy with a offensively skilled skating puck mover
Cole - Makar - physical stay at home type guy with a offensively skilled skating puck mover

^ super balanced pairs top to bottom.</div></div>

Even if Joe could talk Skinner into coming west, I'd hope he's not that complacent. Soda can't be our 2C next season...and Kamenev needs some skill to work with, he's already proven he can defend very well in the NHL, now we need to see him not break &amp; show off his skill at this level as well.

As for the pairings, why mess with a good thing? Keep limiting Cole &amp; EJ's even strength PT by pairing them together, and let our better blueliners see more of the ice.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 26, 2019 at 10:59 a.m.
Thread: Test
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McRanteskog</b></div><div>Might have to sweeten the deal a little for Zucker (but its close).
Hayes deal isnt bad but no thanks to Donskoi (especially on line #1)
Also move Jost and Compher up to line 3, Nieto and Calvert down to line 4.</div></div>

Wild Fans I talked to about it were open to a 1-for-1 with either Jost or #16, sans sweetener.

Donskoi would be a really nice lowkey pick up that shouldn't cost a fortune in FA. Talented kid who has been buried behind SJ's vets &amp; fell into their doghouse after an extended goal-drought. Not saying he's a legit first liner, but he's a capable top 6er...who should be perfectly adequate next to MacKinnon, especially with Zucker flying around with MacK, and him filling that spot would let us load up the Mikko line with both Landy &amp; Hayes; to really put teams into a pick-your-poison situation with our forwards.

I wanted to put the Longbeach-Soda-Calvert line...which put in such a yeoman's effort earlier in the season...back together &amp; stick the bottom 6 kids together on a skilled 4th line; which is why Jimmothy, Kam &amp; Jost are all on the same unit. Plus Nieto doesn't deserve to bumped down, he's been tremendous &amp; is probably our 2nd best defensive forward atm...would be 3rd best with the addition of Hayes.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 25, 2019 at 8:10 p.m.
Thread: Draft night shenanigans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Smokingun71</b></div><div>With that offer you could get someone a lot better then Larkin!</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>That's an overpayment for Larkin. He is good, but not that good</div></div>

If the pick isn't top 2? Who do you have in mind? Larkin may not be in the Barkov or Draisaitl tier of absolutely dream 1-2 punches with MacK; but he's in that next tier with Dubois, Couturier, Trocheck, etc. He's a good two-way player who's put up 63 points in 69 games on a terrible team, with speed out the ass. Add that he's 22 &amp; signed through his peak for 6.1M per, and he'd help this team capitalize on the cap window we have before MacK will need a pricey extension &amp; Makar will come off his ELC, more than anyone in this draft other than the top 2.

Not saying that none of these kids will ever surpass Larkin, just that this team needs to start winning ASAFP &amp; the key to that -- based on the roster models that we've seen win the cup in the cap era -- is either adding a 1b Center behind MacK or an elite #1 blueliner...and the pricetag on the latter is going to be quite a bit higher than the former; which is why I'd be hunting for a Larkin / Dubois / Trocheck if we don't get Hughes or Kakko with that pick as the centerpiece of a package. And adding one or two A- and B-futures to that Ottawa pick to turn it into a player around the caliber of what we hope that pick would someday become, is a price we have the asset-surplus to afford.

This draft has a few kids I'm really high on outside of the top two...Podkolzin, Turcotte &amp; (to a lesser extent) Cozens and Caufield...but other than Kakko &amp; Hughes there's nobody I expect to be an NHL difference maker by their draft+2 season, and we really need to be serious cup contenders by 2020-2021.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 7, 2019 at 4:06 p.m.
Thread: What it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JeffW</b></div><div>The only thing I remember for sure is that Roy wanted to get rid of barrie</div></div>

***to preface; don't ask me for sources since this is just something I did for myself to visualize how things could've played out based on what I've heard from folks with various connections to the hockey world &amp; avs in particular, and only the Zbad+Chabot trade have I seen written about anywhere. So I'm not going to argue or try to prove any of this if you chose not to believe it***

That said; the Barrie talk was always a weird rumor from the national media given that the big changes that Roy wanted...and that Joe veto'ing lead to their ultimate falling out over...had nothing to do with Barrie; as Patrick wanted to add to our blueline and by that time had learned that he couldn't do it with the Beauchemin's of the world. Thus why he targetted a kid like Chabot when shopping Duchene &amp; why he was banging the table for us to pick a blueliner with the Jost pick...with Chychrun &amp; McAvoy being the two I remember being atop his want-list.

But I understand why it was an easy conclusion to jump to for the national media types, given the issues we had with Newport-client ROR, as well as the fact that Roy had pursued Beauchemin heavily...as Sakic had Stuart...so it was easy to run with the "old guys still think game hasn't changed since they played, can't appreciate a new age stud &amp; are scared of an agency that had their way with them with the previous non-1st-round-picked star the avs had had" angle in lieu of having real sources into the Avs braintrust.

It just didn't line up at all with Roy's heavy reliance on Barrie on the ice and (by that point) desire to make our blueline more mobile &amp; skilled...which, I suspect, is why we never heard those rumors from the french canadian press; who did have some genuine sources in Roy's camp while he was still here.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 6, 2019 at 5:16 p.m.
Thread: 1224
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Dont see why the Ducks trade the two players they should be building around.</div></div>
More of a hypothetical, what if Gibson asked to be traded &amp; so they were forced into a rebuild. So that a top 5 pick, the pick of a team that's currently just 5 points ahead of the 2nd worst record, any 2 of our non-Makar prospects, and another top 100 pick; let them really load up on young talent...given their already impressive prospect pool...

FWIW Sakic ever crawling out of his bunker for long enough to pull something that bold off is easily the least likely part of this whole scenario...

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JeffW</b></div><div>I feel like the package for Gibson is pretty steep, not sure I could pull the trigger if I was sakic, also I dont like the toronto trade at all, kadri is an upgrade on kerfoot but EJ is lightyears better then zaitsev</div></div>
It's steep, but Gibson is the best goalie in the NHL (for my money), he's proven his class over multiple seasons already, is signed to a wonderful contract for the next 8 years, and fits perfectly with MacK n Mikko age-wise...plus it wouldn't just be Gibson, it would be Gibson &amp; Rakell; who's also a very good player, right in the middle of his prime, &amp; is also signed for a song.

EJ is better than Zaitsev, but eating Zaitsev would be the cost of getting Kadri without adding anything significant to EJ. Kadri's a POS, but he's a great 2C...and with Rakell we'd have the makings of an exquisite 2nd scoring line that could match up with opposing top lines in a more defensive role...especially if we successfully wooed Stone in FA to complete the unit.

Even if we couldn't land a star like Stone in FA; with Gibson in goal behind them &amp; that forward core in front of them, life would be a lot easier on our blueliners. And between Barrie, Makar &amp; Girard, we could really tilt the ice in our favor if we rolled them &amp; played the sort of more aggressive game that having a goalie like Gibson &amp; that kind of forward core, would allow.

We'd just need to account for paying Seattle to pick Zaitsev in the expansion draft, in our plans.