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Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 12, 2022 at 2:17 p.m.
Thread: Buffalo Sabres signed Mattias Samuelsson (7 Years / $4,285,714 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>Not my fault if you can't find a comparable that turned out good. LOL

Also I'm embarassed for you when your best arguments are 1) money loses value over time, and 2) the player might get better.

You could say that about any rookie, ever.

Yet, teams usually try to get the longest track record as possible before commiting long term. It's called risk mangement, look it up.</div></div>

He's a top 4 d man making 4.2M. He would be the 71st highest paid d man. That's already a fair value contract. He put up good results in the top pair. It can turn into a massive steal.

Marino &amp; Klefbom were both good? No clue what you're point is. Marino didn't get traded because he was bad. He got traded because of Malkin/Letang cap crunch.

You literally used points to evaluate a defensive d man. Instead of admitting you know nothing about the player, you refuse to admit you were wrong.

It's called locking up your promising young players to good deals before the value skyrockets. What we should've done with Reinhart/McCabe instead of bridging them until they leave.
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 12, 2022 at 2:31 p.m.
Thread: Buffalo Sabres signed Mattias Samuelsson (7 Years / $4,285,714 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Okay, setting aside that 20 decent games or 54 decent games doesn't establish someone like you're suggesting, i went and checked his tandems from last season. By far, he spent the most time with Casey Fitzgerald (221 min) - that's bottom pairing, AND they got demolished. Next up, Bryson (170 min) - again, 3rd pairing, but they actually outdid their analytics pretty nicely. Then you have Dahlin (140 min, those two underperformed their analytic numbers a good bit), Pysyk (109 min, 3rd pairing, and they were caved in pretty bad even if they somehow managed to come out even in GF%). The rest are 40 min or a lot below, and he had only minimal linkups with Power. So basically, he was mostly 3rd pairing, and maybe had like 10-ish games of top pairing play, and all told was at 40% on scoring chance percentage and 41.5% on GF/GA percentage.

In other words, he's certainly not so established as you remember.</div></div>

"By far, he spent the most time with Casey Fitzgerald (221 min) - that's bottom pairing Next up, Bryson (170 min) - again, 3rd pairing," You're wrong. He wasn't 3rd pairing with Bryson. He was top 4 most of the time. Our team had a lot of injuries defensively. Joki wasn't good with Dahlin and he got much better when he played with Samuelsson. Fitz also played with Samuelsson in the top 4. The only time he really played bottom pair was a bit at the beginning. Hagg was our bottom pair LD for most of the first half.

These were the lineups: https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1509904660567633947 Dahlin - Joki / Samuelsson - Fitzgerald / Bryson - Pysyk

https://twitter.com/buffalovogl/status/1501592897229107209?s=21 Dahlin - Joki / Samuelsson - Bryson / Hagg - Fitzgerald


In other words, you gotta look a bit more into it than just looking at natural stat trick
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 12, 2022 at 3:10 p.m.
Thread: Buffalo Sabres signed Mattias Samuelsson (7 Years / $4,285,714 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>Samuelsson being a $7M player in 2026-27 is probably the top 25% of outcomes if we're being generous - not saying that he's a bum, but that I could easily sit here and find 3 guys who flamed out after a good half-season for every defensive Dman you could bring up that wound up being a $7M player by the end of his RFA years.

The overpay now is strategic, obviously GMKA and team see the value here and willing to commit he’ll be part of the core moving forward. Sure they are projections and speculations but that’s part of being a GM, and their judgement is good enough for me.

Buffalo has a boatload of Cap Space and to not weaponize take advantage of it in some way would be neglectful</div></div>
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 12, 2022 at 3:16 p.m.
Thread: Buffalo Sabres signed Mattias Samuelsson (7 Years / $4,285,714 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Hahaha what? You made claims, I debunked them. Line-ups don't stay the same for 60 minutes every game, and you've picked out exactly one. Isn't it slightly possible you've put the cart before the horse in rating his performance/established place in the line-up and league in general? You act like he's an established top 4 guy who's really almost halfway to being top pairing. That's a wild stretch, on multiple levels.</div></div>

You didn't debunk anything. You just ran to natural stat trick and looked at minutes without looking at what the pairing was. You want more examples of you being wrong?

https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1499891562469376004

https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1500525620165550085

https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1500978876717187073

https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1502765915221418000

https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1503752128879337487

https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1504618184250339343

https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1505614311892213763

https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1504980044757708800

https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1506769612154839042

I said he played top 4, which he did. It's so funny how many people continue to double down instead of admitting they were wrong.
Forum: NHL SigningsOct. 12, 2022 at 3:43 p.m.
Thread: Buffalo Sabres signed Mattias Samuelsson (7 Years / $4,285,714 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Heh. Setting aside all the relevant points/evidence you ignore to maintain stances ("20 top pairings games!" ... at 7 minutes per?), since when does playing in the top 4 of last year's Sabres team for 25-30% of a season make one a bona fide NHL top 4 defenseman? Does it make Casey flippin Fitzgerald are bona fide top 4 NHL defenseman, too? Playing some top 4 minutes for part of a season out of desperation ain't the cred you think it is. Meanwhile, on top of it all, his analytics relative to teammates was about -8%. This contract largesse is overtly premature on established merit, and I find it wild that anyone could see this as a dumb hot take. Most people see this as premature, it's an easy call. That doesn't mean he won't end up making this look like the steal of the century (unlikely), or just a solid piece of business (more likely). It just means he has not done anything to earn that contract yet. Obviously.</div></div>

I don't even know what your main stances are. You keep changing them. His ceiling went from being a top 4 d man (when he's already in that role). To he plays 3rd pair with Bryson / Fitz (he played second pair with those guys). Dahlin has had some of his best metrics paired with Samuelsson. This is after numerous partners like Jokiharju, Montour, Ristolainen, and Miller.

"Does it make Casey flippin Fitzgerald are bona fide top 4 NHL defenseman, too?" Casey's on ice impact isn't good. Samuelsson's is. That's the difference. One is good and one isn't.

Playing top 4 and putting up great defensive metrics is not easy to do on a bad team. The only one that was able to do that was McCabe. Who I would've loved to give a contract like this after his first year. We instead bridged him until he left in FA.

Most people here don't even know who the player is. It's quite obvious when people are evaluating him by point totals. There is a reason why Sabres fans love this deal.

For what he brings now as a top 4 big physical defensive guy that plays well with Dahlin it's a fair contract. If he ups his game it can become a steal.