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Armchair-GM
Jul. 2, 2019 at 8:05 p.m.
Thread:
DO IT
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DONTGIVEAPUCK13</b></div><div>Do in case of Aho, he gets paid almost 50% of the contract in SB in 12months. Does all of that get charged at the lower rate?
Thanks for answering all the questions on taxation!</div></div>
No problem, I'm a big hockey nerd and love to talk about that stuff.
Well in Aho's case, since he's not coming to Canada, everything I explained does not apply. What I explained with the SB is the way to limit Canadian tax and put the player in a similar situation as if he was in the US, it levels the edge US teams have in that specific situation.
Aho is going to pay the normal 45% rate that applies in North Carolina on both the regular salary and SB.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 2, 2019 at 7:30 p.m.
Thread:
DO IT
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Price_is_the_goat</b></div><div>so how do european players (like aho) playing in a canadian market, save on taxes. you can use a differnet player if need be. btw im a finance major, and i have to take some tax courses next year, so i just wanna get a basic picture of this</div></div>
Aho could have gotten savings in two ways: one the SB (he is deemed US resident for tax purposes - the 183 days rule) and two the RCA (explained and the article you linked me earlier - look at the Nemeth example, it's pretty much exactly what I would have planned for Aho, except he would have gotten bigger savings with the huge SB and the length of the contract giving the opportunity to take advantage of the RCA).
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 2, 2019 at 7:09 p.m.
Thread:
DO IT
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Price_is_the_goat</b></div><div>oh. i must be wrong then. could you explian how players would avoid higher taxes from bonuses? like i know bonuses can be claimed anywhere in north america under some nafta agreement, but salaries cant</div></div>
Sure, it's a bit more complicated than that but I'll brush the rough picture.
It's not under nafta, it's because of a tax treaty between the US and Canada. The purpose is to avoid double taxation when some income would be taxable in both the US and Canada. Let's take Matthews for example. He's a US citizen which makes him liable to pay tax in the US on what he's earning from the Maple Leafs (in Canada). What the tax treaty does is limit to 15% the right of, in this example, Canada to tax Matthew's signing bonuses. Let's say his tax rate in Arizona is 40% but it will take into account the amounts paid in Canada so that overall Matthews' bonus is taxed at 40% (15% in Canada, 25% in the US). The idea is that overall, the US resident receiving a bonus in Canada will pay the same amount of tax that he would pay if it was earned in the US.
Matthews therefore pays 40% on his SB instead of 53% as is the rate in Ontario. A 13% saving on 55M in SB is an extra 7M for Matthews.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 2, 2019 at 4:51 p.m.
Thread:
DO IT
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DONTGIVEAPUCK13</b></div><div>But wouldn't someone like Point or Aho apply since they lived there for a few years?</div></div>
Yes they would. But if they didn't get a green card and cut all ties to the US when they move to Canada, they would most likely only benefit from the US resident status for the first year signing bonus. Still, it would be a 14% saving (for Point) on the first year SB, which would save him over 1M , so not too bad.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 2, 2019 at 3:49 p.m.
Thread:
DO IT
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Price_is_the_goat</b></div><div><a href="https://theathletic.com/1050270/2019/06/27/yes-quebec-has-high-taxes-but-heres-how-the-canadiens-can-level-the-playing-field/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://theathletic.com/1050270/2019/06/27/yes-quebec-has-high-taxes-but-heres-how-the-canadiens-can-level-the-playing-field/</a> this shoudl help. i believe brain wilde wrote an article a few weeks back. i cant seem to find it. but i read that one of the reasons duchene bought some property in nashville (he put it on air bnb) was so he could claim his bonuses there.</div></div>
Thanks. This article does not say that... Also, after digging a little bit, it sounds like Duchene bought this place for investment purposes (and next to his buddy's) , plus he always loved Nashville. Buying property and not living there is not enough to be considered a US resident and benefit from the reduced rate on signing bonuses.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 2, 2019 at 3:18 p.m.
Thread:
DO IT
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Price_is_the_goat</b></div><div>yeah. some player purchase small apartments or register at a friends house to claim bonus. the athletic wrote a wicked article explaining this process, just this last week</div></div>
Yeah, registering at a friends house doesn't sound enough (I work in tax law, I'm not just guessing lol) . Do you have the link to the article? I thought I read it but I don't remember the examples you mentioned.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 2, 2019 at 2:58 p.m.
Thread:
DO IT
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Price_is_the_goat</b></div><div>i know. cause u can claim your bonuses on any location in north america.</div></div>
Well that's not entirely accurate, you need to be considered a resident of said location so you need to actually have ties there. Easier said than done, but it is possible.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 2, 2019 at 1:47 p.m.
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MTL VGK
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>linehan10</b></div><div>them montrealites really like jake Evans so I’m assuming they’ll be commenting soon</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>slapshot723</b></div><div>...oh. I don't know much about him. Just thought it'd be nice to have a C prospect.</div></div>
He's a good player and might fill a bottom 6 role in the NHL eventually but I would say 3rd liner is his ceiling, he's 23 already. Definitely expandable for much needed help on the left side,
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 30, 2019 at 11:30 a.m.
Thread:
Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>Rumor has Duchesne has already agreed to sign with Preds.
Canes decline.</div></div>
I've seen you mention that rumor a couple times, where is it from because I have not seen that? Actually the last two days all I've seen is that NSH might not be a sure thing anymore (but still frontrunners).
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2019 at 3:34 p.m.
Thread:
Duchene
Who's gonna tell him?
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2019 at 2:44 p.m.
Thread:
2019-20
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div>Forget the specifics but it has to do with how he burned a year of his elc after going right to the NHL after this college season was over. Something like players need three years of NHL service before being able to be offersheeted but he didn't play enough games in 15-16.</div></div>
That is correct. Under article 10.2 of the CBA, since McAvoy does not have 3 years of professional experience (did not play 10 NHL games in his first year in the NHL) he's not considered a RFA. By giving him the QO, Boston retained the exclusive rights to McAvoy
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2019 at 11:31 a.m.
Thread:
Ballsy trades Poehling jumps KK
I would never give up those two assets for Puljujarvi, unfortunately I think he's another Yakupov. He's kind of a lottery ticket because he could develop into what was projected of him three years ago, but as of now I almost higher on Ylonen than JP.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 28, 2019 at 11:25 a.m.
Thread:
If Duchene comes and were realist
Roster of 20 with less than 500k to fill the 3 remaining spots, doesn't work
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 27, 2019 at 9:43 a.m.
Thread:
What The Team Could Look Like
I think Danault will cost a whole lot more once he's UFA. Think of the kind of offers Bonino got on the open market two years ago (4,1M), I think Danault is already better and he's trending upwards (also started to get recognition this year and got votes for the Selke). His offensive numbers are better than Bonino's because he plays first line but still, I'd be shocked if he does not get 5-6M+. He could also use Hayes' terrible contract.
The one positive thing is that he's a local guy and he seems to really love it here so he might take a small discount.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 24, 2019 at 12:18 p.m.
Thread:
Duchene
Terrible deal for Vegas. Yes they want cap space but Marchessault's deal is a bargain, arguably their best contract (until maybe Karlsson's)
Regardless, why would they want to trade a 60pts winger for an average 3rd liner, a mediocre prospect and an ok pick.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 24, 2019 at 12:01 p.m.
Thread:
Finishing out the Roster
It's very likely Nashville is getting Duchene, but not at 7,4M, that's almost what Hayes got. Even with their state tax situation, I would be surprised to see him sign for much less than 9M
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 20, 2019 at 11:44 a.m.
Thread:
Shuffle the deck
This Florida trade is the worst "serious" trade I've seen here so far. You could argue Huberdeau is a ppg player now, he's in his prime and one of the better bargains outside of MacKinnon.
This trade is just awful
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 19, 2019 at 12:55 p.m.
Thread:
What Did It Cost - Everything
Drouin is not a good fit with CLB and Torts in my opinion
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 19, 2019 at 8:48 a.m.
Thread:
Laine Offer Gost 4 Drouin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BurgerBoss</b></div><div>After that move, it's going to be nearly impossible for you guys to re-sign Domi and Mete.
WPG is gladly going to offer sheet one of them.</div></div>
I'm not saying this scenario is likely at all, but with Poehling, Suzuki and maybe one of the Finns (Ylonen, Ikonen) getting closer to the NHL, Shaw and Byron become expandable. The year after would be a much bigger challenge though with Danault, Gallagher, KK and Poehling.
Anyway, I don't see that happening but if somehow we get close to the cap this year, 20-21 is not going to be a big issue but 21-22 will be.
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Armchair-GM
Jun. 18, 2019 at 9:01 a.m.
Thread:
Blockbuster deals
Montreal is in a weird place, they're not really in "win-now" mode but they kind of are due to the aging Price and Weber.
Anyway, if I'm MB I would definitely take that deal.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 13, 2019 at 3:58 p.m.
Thread:
Oh boi
The Colorado trade is brutal
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 12, 2019 at 5:40 p.m.
Thread:
this is what the leafs will actually look like in the 2019-2020 Season
I thought you were kidding but I'm not sure anymore, this is scary
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 11, 2019 at 3:39 p.m.
Thread:
Kings of summer
It's from The 4th Period, I wouldn't bet my house on that
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 6, 2019 at 2:45 p.m.
Thread:
Erik Karlsson
This is awful for so many reasons
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jun. 6, 2019 at 2:43 p.m.
Thread:
Karl-Theo
A 13th forward, good 3rd liner + a 25% chance at a decent NHLer 3 years from now for Theodore? Come on
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