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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 8, 2022 at 6:35 a.m.
Thread: Destinations for Miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>YesThisIsFlo</b></div><div>I honestly think it would cost way way more. Way way WAY more.

This is a 22 year old, 6'4, smooth skating right handed defenseman who just scored 51 points. A guy who was the focal point of the Islanders offense and breakouts. He is going to be a top 5 RHD (the rarest position in the NHL) for over a decade.

He's about as valuable a commodity in the NHL as it gets. Realistically, there is a zero percent chance he gets traded, but I think it would be more like Miller, Rathbone, Podkolzin/Lekkerimaki, and next 1st, if not more.</div></div>

Not arguing Dobson has value but, the offer you are talking about is insane. Compare what you're saying to what Jones got which was a more established player.

Miller - 99 point 1C
Rathbone - Currently a 3rd pairing guy but has top 4 upside.
Podkolzin - Currently a 3rd liner but, has top 6 power forward upside.
Lekkerimaki Hard to say but, has the potential to be a 1st line RW with 30+ goals if everything pans out.
1st which would probably be between 15-20 next year in a good draft.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 8, 2022 at 6:29 a.m.
Thread: Destinations for Miller
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jwg314</b></div><div>I love how you say someone is talking out of their ass because you think they have a personal bias and then follow up saying he wants to sign an offer sheet, like that didn’t just come completely out of your own ass. And I have no affiliation with Isles fandom whatsoever. You don’t give up a young top-pairing defenseman as one singular piece of a one-year rental, let alone adding more to it. Imagine the Canes gave up Slavin+ for ANY one-year rental 5 years ago. You’re out of your damn mind.</div></div>

I have no idea why everyone is calling Miller a rental. Miller has 1 year left at 5.2 million for a 99 point player. Vancouver would probably retain half for the right return. Any team with the cap room and want a 1C can sign him at the end of next year or agree to an extension before accepting a trade. Normally you get rentals at the trade deadline and have them for half a year. This isn't the case for JT.
Forum: Vancouver CanucksJul. 8, 2022 at 6:21 a.m.
Thread: Conor Garland's trade value
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Knuckl3s</b></div><div>First of all, it doesn't sound like the new front office views Poolman as bad cap, he simply hasn't had a big enough sample size to be written off as such. With Dickinson, I think the club recognizes his lack of value due to the rumblings of him being a prime buyout candidate, and I'm glad it seems they are going to give Dickinson a chance to bounce back and rebuild some of his value, cause I've been advocating for them to do as much. It's only one down year, he has to have multiple underwhelming seasons before he's labelled as a declining asset. I was shocked when I ran into a few people who thought Dickinson was a bust

You're right that while they aren't in a cap crunch, Vancouver's cap situation is very very fragile, but we can't let that obscure or magnify the individual and unique valuations of each player/asset

It's hard to make an apples to apples comparison between what Garland fetched as opposed to Debrincat, because they were different off-seasons, so no doubt the market fluctuates somewhat within that time. That said, most are regarding the Debrincat trade as a fleecing by the Sens, myself included

I am certainly open to moving Garland for a top 4 RD, but I'm not actively shopping Garland, and I certainly won't move him for any other type of asset unless it's an obvious overpayment</div></div>

I agree about Dickinson but, Poolman is a 950k bottom pair d-man on any other team. I know it has been said the new MGMT likes him, I don't think that changes the fact its a bad contract and if you can move Poolman without paying you would jump on it. There is 3.6 million getting paid to players that aren't playing for Vancouver and probably another 5-6 million in bad contracts. I agree with the new MGMTs approach to only add players that fit the Petterson, Hughes and Demko contention window. I don't thin Garland really fits the long term plans but, if you move him it shouldn't be for futures and to address a pressing need like Vancouver's D.