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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 15, 2020 at 6:03 p.m.
Thread: Habs 2020-21 Brodin Perron Allen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>lebronisdagoat</b></div><div>why would the blues trade perron after he just had an allstar season?</div></div>

It's just math.

If the Blues are going to resign Pietrangelo and Dunn, they need to dump each of Bozak, Allen and Perron and they can't take on any more money other than minimum salary contracts. Not because they want to get rid of them but because they can't afford them in a flat cap world. They can afford to keep Perron if they want, but then they can't resign Dunn and he'd be picked up with an offer sheet.

So basically to dump Perron and Allen you need to do it just for draft picks or for super-low value contracts. Perron only has 2 years left on his deal and Allen only has 1 in a year where there's a huge market for goalies. Basically the Blues won't have a lot of options for takers for these players.

I totally agree it's low value for these players but seriously, what options do the Blues have? Do they really let Pietrangelo walk? Do they let Dunn get picked up on an offer sheet (when Perron will be gone in 2 years and is aging while Dunn is young and could be kept for many years)?

Tough decisions ahead for the Blues.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 15, 2020 at 5:58 p.m.
Thread: Habs 2020-21 Sergachev Perron Allen Vesalainen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justaBoss</b></div><div>That is a weak offer for Perron.

Allen is not negative value either.</div></div>

I agree on both counts; you're right. But I don't know that the Blues are going to get much better deals; they're going to have to lose the value deal just to shed salary.

If the Blues are going to resign Pietrangelo and Dunn, they need to dump each of Bozak, Allen and Perron and they can't take on any more money other than minimum salary contracts. So basically to dump Perron and Allen you need to do it just for draft picks or for super-low value contracts. Perron only has 2 years left on his deal and Allen only has 1 in a year where there's a huge market for goalies. Basically the Blues won't have a lot of options for takers for these players in a flat salary cap world.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 12, 2020 at 1:47 p.m.
Thread: Habs 2020-21 Ehlers Dunn
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>It's a fleecing in that Mete is a bottom pairing guy and a 3rd isn't much, so they aren't meaningful additions when you are asking for a 1st line winger.

Domi is an okay option if nothing else is available, but he's poor defensively and can force his way to UFA in two years if he wishes, so far from ideal. Domi would be fine, but he doesn't justify or require the Jets putting any of our top 5 on the line for.</div></div>

While I'm a Habs fan first I'm also a really big Jets fan. Honest reality is that there aren't a lot of options available right now on the market for young-ish centres that can put up points. I know some people have floated the idea of just making Wheeler a full-time C. That could work but would probably be disappointing. Anyway, we'll see what happens.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 12, 2020 at 12:24 p.m.
Thread: Habs 2020-21 Ehlers Dunn
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>No, it's a slam dunk win for Montreal and an outright fleecing to the Jets. Winnipeg would not consider it.</div></div>

Again, I agree that Ehlers is better than Domi. I'm not disagreeing with that. But seriously, do you need Centres or Wingers more in Winnipeg? You've got to pay Roslovic and Vesalainen is coming up. You already have Connor, Laine and Wheeler. Little is unreliable. If the Jets didn't think they needed Centres, then why did they go for Statsny for a 1st? Why did they go for Hayes for a 1st? Why did they pick up an under-performing Eakin?

...and while I agree, Ehlers is better than Domi, look at the last 5 years of play: Domi PPG = .67, Ehlers PPG = .70. Plus the Habs would throw in more pieces here and Domi would be cheaper than Ehlers. How is that a fleecing?
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 11, 2020 at 11:44 p.m.
Thread: Habs 2020-21 Ehlers Dunn
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>willinlisbon</b></div><div>I see no reason why WPG needs to make that trade?
I'm a CH fan, and would love to have Ehljers on the roster but the simple matter is that WPG doesn't need to shed salary, doesn't have a need for Domi or Mete (who are both RFA's) traded for a proven top 6 winger who's signed long term.
Also, why sign THomposon when we have Evans and Poehling in the fold.
Don't need Greiss, we have Lindgren and Primeau in the fold who are more than capable of backing up Price - only reason why Lindgren didn't get the shot this past season was because MB went out and signed Kinkaid or else he would have been back up from the start.
Dunn is a good OS but you'll need to offer WAYYYY more than that and if that's the case may as well OS Sergachev.</div></div>

I'd prefer Sergachev than Dunn but the Habs can't afford both Ehlers and Sergachev. They can afford both Ehlers and Dunn.

As for it not being enough for Dunn, maybe they can offer more but I'm not sure that the Blues could even match $4.5M without it being a real problem for them. They'd need to dump Bozak, Allen and Perron to keep Dunn at $4.5M and also sign Pietrangelo. That's a huge sacrifice when you consider that they already have a stacked D even without Dunn.

As for why Winnipeg would want Domi; maybe they don't. I don't know. What I do know is they want better centres. That's for sure. Tell me who they can go out and get instead without giving up value?
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 11, 2020 at 11:38 p.m.
Thread: Habs 2020-21 Ehlers Dunn
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>They aren't close to full NTC's, and Army is a bit of a wizard. And frankly, we might even let Petro walk before we part with Dunn. But yeah, you might need to up the $ anwyay if you hope to convince Dunn to leave the Blues. I doubt that gets it done for a five-year deal.</div></div>

Sure man. If you want to overpay Dunn and let Pietrangelo walk good luck. But actually look at your contracts. Perron and Bozak are M-NTC. The rest either have a full NTC or there's no way you'd ever move them (e.g., Schwartz or Parayko aren't going to be traded). So basically if you're Doug Armstrong your options are:

1. Let Pietrangelo walk

2. Assuming letting him walk is a terrible idea, find takers at pennies on the dollar for each of Perron, Bozak and Allen. Now, Bozak is overpaid and Allen isn't going to be a #1 anywhere anymore, so he's also overpaid as a backup. That means you're giving up assets just to get rid of them. Okay sure, you do that. That leaves Perron. Perron is a great player at a great price. If you want to pay Dunn at 4.5 or 5, sure, you can afford it if you get rid of Perron, Bozak and Allen, but that's a steep price to pay when you already have a lot of money in your RDs. Let's say you do it and you're can pay Dunn. Sure. Then the next year with a flat salary cap, even with Steen coming off the books you still can't afford to pay Robert Thomas and Binnington big raises.

Bottom line is yes, you're right. They can match and still keep Pietrangelo. However, that's a big price to pay to not be able to be sure you can pay Binnington and Thomas the next year.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 8, 2020 at 4:24 p.m.
Thread: Habs 2020-21 Sergachev Roslovic
I definitely agree that Domi's better than Roslovic. As I look it, however, I think that Domi's probably out after this season from the Habs after how they've played him in the playoffs. That means if you look at teams that can actually afford to sign him and that really need a #2C, it's basically Minnesota and Winnipeg. If you look at the Winnipeg roster, it's basically wingers that the Habs need and the Jets aren't going to be willing to give up Ehlers (obviously Laine, Connor and Wheeler are untouchables even if you sweeten the deal for Domi with picks). This leaves Roslovic or Veselainen and since they're both younger and have more years under control, and since Domi only has 2 years left before UFA, it doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Having said that; I do agree Domi's better than Roslovic and even as you project out.