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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 10, 2022 at 10:15 a.m.
Thread: Oilers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>evelutions2</b></div><div>While they could use it, they won’t help the Oilers essentially for free. Just rough math means Arizona is adding about 7.25mil in cap (14.5mil total over the course of the remainder of their contracts), and only getting a 4th and 5th for them, and the Yotes are also giving up 2 picks as well. One year of Monahan, who was being payed about 6mil required a first. You are trying to dump 2 players, who each have 2 years remaining, for 7.25 per year. In what way does Edmonton not have to pay at the very least a first rounder to dump Foegele and Barrie? Do you really expect any team in the league in this cap era, to mortgage 7.25mil worth of valuable cap space for 2 cap dumps, for 2 years, and only get a 4th and 5th from the dumping team, whilst paying 2 later picks? Doesn’t matter if they cap be flipped or not, you have to pay the piper up front, or else you have to deal with the consequences.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>evelutions2</b></div><div>While they could use it, they won’t help the Oilers essentially for free. Just rough math means Arizona is adding about 7.25mil in cap (14.5mil total over the course of the remainder of their contracts), and only getting a 4th and 5th for them, and the Yotes are also giving up 2 picks as well. One year of Monahan, who was being payed about 6mil required a first. You are trying to dump 2 players, who each have 2 years remaining, for 7.25 per year. In what way does Edmonton not have to pay at the very least a first rounder to dump Foegele and Barrie? Do you really expect any team in the league in this cap era, to mortgage 7.25mil worth of valuable cap space for 2 cap dumps, for 2 years, and only get a 4th and 5th from the dumping team, whilst paying 2 later picks? Doesn’t matter if they cap be flipped or not, you have to pay the piper up front, or else you have to deal with the consequences.</div></div>


Barrie and Monahan are two different situations. Monahan may not ever be the player he was. He's had two relatively poor seasons in a row and was playing below his contract. Barrie has 9 seasons in a row with at least 38 points. He led all NHL D in 2020-21. In the last 9 years he is 7th in pts among NHL D. Barrie is playing above his contract. He's a value contract but doesn't fit in the Oilers' plans as well with Bouchard establishing himself as an elite point producer. It's not really a dump in the way that players with bloated contracts are dumped like Monahan. I'm not even sure Edmonton would have to send anything with him. They may be able to get picks for him rather than give. It's just that teams know they want to reduce their cap if they're trading him. But some team with a need for a point producing RHD will pay to get him. MTL, ARI, OTT, CBJ come to mind. OTT and ARI have the cap space to trade in picks or only send picks back. Foegele isn't really overpriced either.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 6, 2022 at 1:26 p.m.
Thread: Oilers - Subban - Sprong
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Capfriendly already included it in their calculations. You're counting it twice. Do the math: the $81,254,333 cap hit listed above includes the bonus overages on the next line. No need to leave $1.25M in cap space like you've done.</div></div>

Dang... oops. But now that I know that, I still can't get under cap by just trading Foegele. Not even if you use the cheapest options for open roster spots. I put Benson ($750k), and one of McKegg, Griffith, or Malone (@762.5k) on forward. And I have Murray ($750k), and Samorukov ($775k) on D. It's still $276,833 over cap. If you bury Ryan, you can get just under cap if you use cheap options only with Benson and 2 of Malone, McKegg, or Griffith. That really limits what you can do during the season. You can't even call up Shore, or Koekkoek if you need to, or Bourgault if he earns it. Even if you trade Ryan for nothing, that doesn't give you room to call up who you want to. You wouldn't be able to call up both Koekkoek and Shore at the same time as that would put you at least $51k over.

It seems like you have to trade Barrie to get under the cap. Then sign Subban who actually had better underlying numbers and more 5v5 points than Barrie last season on a terrible team (who knew?). Either that, or trade one of the young kids (Puljujarvi or Yamamoto), but that barely does it either. You'd have to trade one of them and Ryan to get any wiggle room to be able to freely call up players during the season. and I think that might be losing some future and making a new hole. Whereas paying Barrie $4.5M to play 3rd pair and have his PP time taken by Bouchard doesn't make sense. Especially when Subban's numbers are better than Barrie's.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 6, 2022 at 11:55 a.m.
Thread: Oilers - Subban - Sprong
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BadaBing</b></div><div>I think you will need to pay more to dump Tyson. Flames paid a 1st rd and Monahan to get rid of him. I would see a 2nd rd pick going the Habs way and no 7th going to Oilers</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Burnout</b></div><div>Montreal isn't going to take on Barrie's contract without sending a Hoffman or Armia the other way. There are far cheaper ways to get a RD.</div></div>

Barrie led the NHL D in scoring in 2020-21, and scored 41 pts last season. Montreal had one of the worst PPs in the NHL last season. They also had one of the lowest scoring D corps. And they've lost Petry since then. The Habs need some production from their blue. This isn't a player who is facing career-threatening injuries who hasn't scored in recent years. this is a bonafide offensive D. And Barrie's $4.5M contract is very reasonable. It's not a dump.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 5, 2022 at 8:28 p.m.
Thread: Oilers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>swinny</b></div><div>I have looked at a Savard for Barrie swap, but don't see the fit for Montréal.

Habs have a number of puck moving D now (Matheson, Harris, Barron, Wideman), so adding another upsets the balance that is brought in the top 4 with Edmundson and Savard there.

The value is defintely there. Perhaps Hughes does it feeling Barrie has more trade value. But given what he has said this offseason about at least being tough to play against, I don't think he does it.

A guy like Savard should be the target, but just not Savard.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jpsnow13</b></div><div>Yeah MTL need to add a defensive RHD, not swap away one. EDM would need to add a big sweetener to get Savard.</div></div>

The reason I targeted Montreal was because they had one of the lowest scoring D Corp in the NHL last season and one of the worst powerplays. And they've since lost their leading scorer among D in Jeff Petry, so things for even worse for D and PD P production over the offseason. Barrie led all NHL D in scoring in 2020-2021 and is a PP specialist. He could be a great fit in MTL.

The other thing that makes me think it might be a good trade is that fans from EDM think Savard isn't enough for Barrie and fans from MTL think Barrie isn't enough for Savard. Plus they're only $1M apart in salary.
Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 10, 2022 at 12:21 a.m.
Thread: EDM-CHI
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ChiHawk</b></div><div>LMAO no and it's not close either; Chicago wouldn't even sit down at the negotiating table with that bad an offer</div></div>

Please expand on where the inequity is. I genuinely would like to know. Both teams would be unloading 2 unwanted contracts. Chicago would be giving up the better prospect goalie as of now, but Konovalov is no slouch. He was one of the top KHL goalies for a few years at a very young age before coming over, drafted 85th overall, which is pretty high for a goalie. Chicago gets a 2nd pick for a 3rd to make up for the prospect difference. Connolly isn't even in the NHL this season and has a cap hit of $3.5M. Barrie may have high cap hit, but he is a PP specialist and he led the entire NHL D in points just last season. Murphy is a UFA so you lose him for very little at the deadline anyway. His Cap hit is too high for many Cup contenders to trade for him at the deadline as a rental. That was my logic, anyway.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 26, 2022 at 10:07 a.m.
Thread: Oilers - The Future is Now
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>herzausstein</b></div><div>This trade from Nashvilles end looks like

*4.5 million third pairing powerplay specialist dman that won’t get powerplay time over Josi or carrier. Barrie is not good defensively and would play third pairing minutes (if at all since Hynes likes the third pairing to be just a physical pair). Either way he doesn’t get time infront of carrier or Fabbro so it’s a massive waste of money to spend 4.5 million on one third pairing dman.
*Goalie with a long injury history that should’ve retired in the off-season. Buying him out is pointless because it’s a 35+ contract.
*Lesser goalie prospect than what we sent to Edmonton.
*third round pick from 2020 draft

For
*7th round pick this draft
* 3rd round pick next draft
* 3rd round pick the draft after next draft

Just no incentive there</div></div>

Nashville has a lot of cap room so Barrie's contract shouldn't be a big concern for them. It's actually not a bad contract for the NHL point leader among D just last season. And going into a playoff, that 3rd pair D that can step into a top PP spot might be attractive. Mike Smith has a (just barely) better save% this season than Rittich, so he's still an upgrade, and he is a better puck player than Rittich, which might help their offense. 7th for Benning's expiring contract. If I upped it to a 2nd &amp; 3rd instead of two 3rds?
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 28, 2021 at 1:53 p.m.
Thread: Oilers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>YEGBRAD</b></div><div>I dislike that a ton of Oilers fans are heavily relying on Holloway to be this stud and make the team this season. Stop putting that high of expectations on the kid and give him a full year in Bakersfield. Holland doesn't bring young kids out of the farm til they are ready and it's the way it should be. We have seen what happens when you rush young guys development.</div></div>

Holland, himself, has said that he didn't really leave players in the AHL to make them 'overripe' before bringing them up. It was a no salary cap era with a hall of fame team. He was able to spend all he wanted every year. If there was no salary cap here this summer, Holland would have signed Hamilton, Hall, Grubauer, Larsson, and Hyman making it impossible for Holloway to make the team. Whereas Edmonton was a bottom feeder for years and their 1st overall players always made the team out of the gate, which isn't that unusual, actually it is the norm. Holloway just came off a season that is one of the best ever for a player right after his draft season. Many comparable players coming out of the NCAA had and played in their draft+2 season, some had an instant impact, and some had an impact in their draft+3 season. So, if Holloway plays this year, their is a good chance he has an impact and it won't be out of the ordinary.

Players Holloway outscored in their Draft+1 seasons:
Heatley(26G), Keller(23G), Larkin(23G) and Toews(24G) contributed 23 or more goals in their D+2 season.
Connor(31G), Boeser(29G), and Vanek(25G) contributed 25 or more goals in their D+3 season.
Schwartz(25G), Parise(31G), and Higgins(23G) contributed 23 or more goals in their D+4 season.