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Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 3:18 p.m.
Thread: Top Drafted Players in NCAA Transfer Portal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>they play lessor competition. Iron sharpens Iron as they say.
I don't know. If you are going to transfer out, why not attempt to get to other places. North Dakota for example. It seems there are better places to transfer if you can get in.
I know AZ is a lessor hockey school, that isn't a debate. It's like going to play in bowling green. I played there, love the school. But it's a hard road out from there. It's just not on the same level as programs like Denver Quinnipiac etc.. There are scales of the value of these programs, whether we want to admit it or not, and AZ is going backwards not forward. Not sure how I really feel about that.
Not going to claim I know what the coach at W does or doesn't do. I do watch a fair bit of NCAA hockey though and I know coming out the big10 is a better place to be.</div></div>

Big Ten is the best conference for developing a prospect...there is no doubt.

But Arizona State is not all that bad. Coyotes are gone. And they are joining NCHC next year (with 5-of-last-8 national champs, with Denver, North Dakota, UMD, CC).
Forum: Mock-DraftMon. at 2:36 p.m.
Thread: Will Scouch List
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BDHockey</b></div><div>His lists are always interesting if nothing else. Relying too heavily on analytics will cause weird things to happen. I wonder how accurate his previous rankings have been.</div></div>

<strong>2020</strong> (actual)
1. Alexis Lafreniere (1)
2. Quinton Byfield (2)
3. Marco Rossi (9)
4. Lucas Raymond (4)
5. Tim Stutzle (3)

6. Cole Perfetti (10)
7. Jamie Drysdale (6)
8. Alexander Holtz (7)
9. Yaroslav Askarov (11)
10. Anton Lundell (12)

11. Rodion Amirov (15)
12. Marat Khusnutdinov (37)
13. Seth Jarvis (13)
14. Jake Sanderson (5)
15. Mavrik Bourque (30)

16. Dawson Mercer (18)
17. Dylan Holloway (14)
18. Noel Gunler (41)
19. Lukas Reichel (17)
20. William Wallinder (32)

21. Jacob Perreault (27)
22. Jack Quinn (8)
23. John-Jason Peterka (34)
24. Daniil Gushchin (76)
25. Ozzy Wiesblatt (31)

26. Connor Zary (24)
27. Jan Mysak (48)
28. Hendrix Lapierre (22)
29. Helge Grans (35)
30. Roni Hirvonen (59)


<strong>2021</strong> (actual)
1. Matthew Beniers (2)
2. William Eklund (7)
3. Jesper Wallstedt (20)
4. Fabian Lysell (21)
5. Luke Hughes (4)

6. Kent Johnson (5)
7. Owen Power (1)
8. Simon Edvinsson (6)
9. Brandt Clarke (8)
10. Dylan Guenther (9)

11. Mason McTavish (3)
12. Aatu Raty (52)
13. Fyodor Svechkov (19)
14. Logan Stankoven (47)
15. Cole Sillinger (12)

16. Simon Robertsson (71)
17. Isak Rosen (14)
18. Matthew Coronato (13)
19. Carson Lambos (26)
20. Chaz Lucius (18)

21. Scott Morrow (40)
22. Nikita Chibrikov (50)
23. Stanislav Svozil (69)
24. Sebastian Cossa (15)
25. Ville Koivunen (51)

26. Oskar Olausson (28)
27. Matthew Samoskevich (24)
28. Ayrton Martino (73)
29. William Stromgren (45)
30. Xavier Bourgault (22)


<strong>2022</strong> (actual)
1. Shane Wright (4)
2. Brad Lambert (30)
3. Logan Cooley (3)
4. David Jiricek (6)
5. Juraj Slafkovsky (1)

6. Cutter Gauthier (5)
7. Matthew Savoie (9)
8. Gleb Trikozov (60)
9. Seamus Casey (46)
10. Joakim Kemell (17)

11. Filip Mesar (26)
12. Simon Nemec (2)
13. Isaac Howard (31)
14. Liam Ohgren (19)
15. Frank Nazar (13)

16. Kevin Korchinski (7)
17. Vladimir Grudinin (156)
18. Pavel Mintyukov (10)
19. Danila Yurov (24)
20. Noah Ostlund (16)

21. Jonathan Lekkerimaki (15)
22. Owen Pickering (21)
23. Calle Odelius (65)
24. Jiri Kulich (28)
25. Conor Geekie (11)

26. Sam Rinzel (25)
27. Denton Mateychuk (12)
28. Jagger Firkus (35)
29. Paul Ludwinski (39)
30. Marco Kasper (8)
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 1:20 p.m.
Thread: Coremy Schwayman
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>1. Luongo had a 5 team trade clause and didn’t get traded until there was certainty on how he would be handled. His contract was viewed as the primary example of cap circumvention

2. Bussi can be kept easily on a 23 man roster even if they keep Ullmark. That isn’t a massive consideration here.

3. I do find it interesting that you brought up two players not likely to be available at 10 when you talk about the strength of this draft.

4. My bet is both sides wanted to see how Swayman did in the playoffs before giving him the contract they are about to. If game 1 is any indication, this won’t be an issue

Either way, if they trade Swayman … I doubt it is to an East team.</div></div>

1. Luongo had publicly requested a trade. My point is that most people expected him to be the one dealt. Schneider was viewed by many as the long-term answer in net for Canucks.

2. Keep him on 23-man roster, but only 60 minutes to play each night. Few teams keep three goalies on roster with plans to keep all of them.

3. Hard to predict, but I I give draft goes something like below…with names in D &amp; E as possible for 10th overall.

(A) Celebrini
(B) Levshunov, Demidov, Buium
(C) Dickinson, Silayev, Catton
(D) Eiserman, Lindstrom, Helenius, Connelly
(E) Yakemchuk, Jiricek, Parekh, Greentree, Iginla

4. You would know more than me on this
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 9:10 a.m.
Thread: Realistic offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bast</b></div><div>The first quote doesn't specify that the trade was 1 for 1. Just that Holtz was a main piece in it. Note how it says "a package that included...". You interpret it to be 1 for 1.

I remember that Markstrom waived for NJ, however you said he didn't waive it for other teams, plural. Implying that Markstrom only wants to play in NJ.</div></div>

Its right there:

<em><strong>"Separate sources confirmed Devils would send Holtz back with $2- $3 million of Markstrom’s of cap hit retained." </strong></em>

If you can find someplace that says something differently and I'll be open to changing my view.

But everything I have read suggests (and I think I read almost everything on this subject) that it was boiled down to Holtz for Markstrom with about $2 million retained.

There were likely other scenarios discussed at three different points:

1. A larger Hanifin + Markstrom package (some speculation before Feb, and then later when Hanifin 'list' was reported)
2. A Markstrom deal that included sending Vanecek back to Calgary (Flames didn't want him, NJD would have had to add a pick)...was likely that last iteration before agreed upon trade.
3. A Markstrom package that did not include retention (that was discussed very late in process...and have never seen specifics).

But as far as I know, everything I have read suggests that the trade in early February that Conroy accepted, and which prompted him to ask for and receive Markstrom's NTC waiver was: Markstrom (with ~$2 million retained) for Holtz.

Early on, I was pointed towards "Calgary Puck" by some Flames fans. They had suggested that there were a handful of 'insiders' that knew the real scoop on what was going on ("Sec214", "Dissentower", "Rastamasta"). At first, it was believable enough that I posted <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4895856">this ACGM</a> on Feb 16th. As it turns out, these 'insiders' turned out to be very, very wrong (or outright frauds/liars). And they slipped a couple of times in 'their story'...usually a red flag. I learned a lesson here and try to be as precise and accurate as I can. So if you have seen anything reliable that differs from my characterization of the events, please let me know.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 8:33 a.m.
Thread: Realistic offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bast</b></div><div>You state speculation as a fact with the first sentence.

As far as we know, Markstrom wasn't asked to waive for other teams, so it's deceptive at best.

Markstrom has been pretty great on the season as a whole. If you want to value him as a .900 goalie, despite the D miscues infront of him, that's fine. That said, the Flames won't trade him for that value, as he's worth a lot more to the Flames, and there's no rush to make a trade.</div></div>


It was Holtz for Markstrom (~$2 million retained).

It was reported in days that followed by a number of sources. <a href="https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/32-thoughts-a-note-on-every-team-to-open-trade-deadline-week/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Elliotte Friedman</a>, after he said the two teams had agreed on a trade, claimed the offer was Alexander Holtz, not Dawson Mercer. <a href="https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagnotta/saros-available-markstrom-chatter-guentzel-talk-pettersson-contract-more" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">David Pagnotta</a>: <em>"Separate sources confirmed the Devils would send forward Alexander Holtz back in a trade with between $2 million and $3 million of Markstrom’s of annual cap hit retained."</em> <a href="https://www.thefourthperiod.com/mar-2024/flames-telling-teams-markstrom-will-stay" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Another</a>: "Calgary and New Jersey had agreed to a deal that would have sent Markstrom to the Devils in a package that included young forward Alexander Holtz. The Flames were set to retain around $2 million to $3 million of Markstrom’s annual cap hit."

Markstrom waived for NJ, as reported by <a href="https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/calgary-flames/news/calgary-flames-goaltender-jacob-markstrom-reportedly-agreed-to-waive-nmc-for-deal-with-devils" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Steve MacFarland of Hockey News</a>, <a href="https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/nhl/calgary-flames/did-flames-ownership-nix-jacob-markstrom-trade" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Wes Giberton of Calgary Herald</a> and many others. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrEhknOfKrs&amp;t=932s" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Frank Seravalli</a> said, "The Devils and Flames were pretty far down the track on the Markstrom deal. It did get to his level to approve it, I think there were no issues there, and I think somehow, somewhere along the way, that trade was scuttled. Don’t know how, don’t know why, but they were pretty close to nailing it down. You would’ve seen Jacob Markstrom become a New Jersey Devil I think at some point last week."

Markstrom blocked a trade to Los Angeles, according to <a href="https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/why-nick-robertsons-ill-advised-comments-come-at-the-wrong-time-for-the-maple-leafs/article_9a18cf7c-de91-11ee-b3d5-ff27332a98dd.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Nick Kypreos</a>: "Interesting to see that both Jacob Markstrom and Linus Ullmark wouldn’t waive no-trade clauses to join the Los Angeles Kings for their playoff drive. With Markstrom having no interest in being on the West Coast"

Since Trade news broke, Markstrom's play has declined

Before trade news broke...32 games, 2.54 GAA, 0.915 SV%
After news, before TDL........9 games, 2.84 GAA, 0.903 SV%
After Trade Deadline............8 games, 3.55 GAA, 0.870 SV%
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 6:21 a.m.
Thread: Coremy Schwayman
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>The primary differences

1. That draft was better

2. Vancouver was massively cap constrained with a second goalie whose salary would have a 9 year, $8.6m using todays cap figures.

If Boston were cap constrained, this is maybe a discussion but it isn’t.

Even if it was, they likely trade him out of the conference. Its maybe Ullmark, but I believe there is a strong possibility that they keep both</div></div>

1. It’s hard to compare drafts from that sense. I agree that 2024 appears to be a weaker cohort, but from trade perspective, it still holds a similar place in draft. Boston would likely agree (if they agree) with the premise that certain guys are available (ie, if Eiserman or Lindstrom or whomever are available at #10).

2. That off-season (and following one) all NHL teams had compliance but-outs due to the lowering of the cap from the new CBA (was a lockout at beginning of 2012-13 season). Luongo’s AAV was a concern in that tighter cap period, but there were also teams that thought he could be bought out, placing him on the market for free. No one expected Vancouver to trade Schneider.

3. If they keep Swayman, Ullmark then they likely lose Bussi for nothing as he would have to pass through waivers next year (unless they trade him).