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Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 24, 2023 at 11:48 p.m.
Thread: other side of the Chicago trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sedin33</b></div><div>What is your evidence that the Canucks have stopped trying to trade Garland after wanting to trade him for a while? I think there is enough evidence that trading Garland will cost the Canucks adding a sweetener, retaining salary and/or taking back a contract. He hasn't proved to be a consistent top 6 player on this team though he does drive bottom six play.

Let's say Murphy is worth a 2nd (though I think he's worth more), the Canucks would need to add to include Garland.

I'm not a fan of trading firsts, and not a fan of the retool strategy, but the organization is committed to this strategy. Given that strategy, this deal makes some sense.</div></div>

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxiVX7acEIaTMqCsWqxgzbbYRnNVFRudgZ?si=wT93iv5p_AlTJ-kt

https://twitter.com/donnieanddhali/status/1722324769859830143?s=46&amp;t=7fabqgtgp69dNA1d51vxFw

Both say not really looking to trade and not looking to pay to get rid of him. Would maybe give away to a team.

Even if Murphy is a 2nd, which with his contract, I think that's what Chicago would be hoping for. In order to make that add up to even a low 1st trading, Garland needs to be costing us a 2nd since that's the min cost of a 1st.

To clarify, Murphy isn't worth much is because of his contract, which just isn't that efficient for what he is, kind of like Garland, ironically. For a frame reference, Zub signed for 4.6m, Cliffton for 3.33m. Honestly, if Murphy was a free agent next season and was insisting on a 2-year contract I don't see anyone paying him $4.4m

If you are trading Garland and have 4.4m to burn on RD, why not wait to free agency and target players like Carrier, Roy, Demelo or Tanev. I think the Canucks will be way better off both with the quality of the player AND contract if they do that.
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 24, 2023 at 9:20 p.m.
Thread: other side of the Chicago trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sedin33</b></div><div>Hronek only had a year left on his salary. He will much more expensive. Murphy has 2 more after this season.

Aslo getting cap space from Garland without any retention.</div></div>

So 1.5 seasons vs 2.5 sure. But also you know ends it as an RFA that you would actually want to sign. If you want to make it apples to apples instead of signing him you could qualify him and he can walk to free agency after 1 year, which would make 2.5 years vs 2.5, but of course you would never do that since the ability to sign him as an RFA is even more valuable than that extra year, isn't it?

So it's fair to say 1.5 years ending in RFA is maybe superior to 2.5 years? Also Murphy is 2.5 years heading into his 30's so not the same Hronek or Chychrun as that is, you know, worse.

Even if you think somehow the 1-year thing makes such a HUGE difference for Hronek, what's the point of bringing it up and ignoring the other two players? It's like if you point out one little thing that's inferior with the comps then the whole thing irrelevant. A 1st is a huge overpay for Murphy.

As to getting rid of Garland, that's the cost of trading anyone at the deadline, you've got to take cap back. The Canucks aren't looking to trade Garland because of contributing value and there's no reason to pay to trade him in the circumstances. Chicago actually wants him in these circumstances. Why are the Canucks paying anything of substance for including him in this trade?
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 24, 2023 at 8:27 p.m.
Thread: Lily
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fangm</b></div><div>Literally you are on Capfriendly. Just look at his injury page:

https://www.capfriendly.com/injury/players/timothy-liljegren

Since you are lazy

Excluding day to day injuries (out 2 weeks or less). He has had..........wait for it......... 1 injury and its the current one from a dirty play.

Dude what are you smoking.</div></div>

I don't think you can read dude capfriendly has him with a hernia surgery literally last year, although I don't know why you would need to check wouldn't you just know that as a Leafs fan? Also, since you don't seem very bright, hernias are usually bad for player's long-term ability to stay healthy throughout their career.

Also you know injuries when not on the Leafs roster also count? Capfriendly only has his injuries while in the NHL which he only did on a significant basis, checking cap-friendly, for 2 seasons before this one.

Just for fun since research is so easy:

"Liljegren, who missed the world junior tournament with a high ankle sprain, is spending a few days with the ECHL Newfoundland Growlers to retain game conditioning, though a slight setback with the injury will keep him off the Marlies roster until after the AHL all-star break next week. Sandin, meanwhile, is close to returning. Dubas still has high hopes for two other Swedes added to the blue line last season, Calle Rosen and Andreas Borgman." (Man where have I heard that before, I hope high ankle injuries aren't the kind of thing that get chronically aggravated...)

https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/marlies-finding-their-mojo-at-last
Forum: Armchair-GMNov. 24, 2023 at 6:14 p.m.
Thread: TDL and offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sedin33</b></div><div>I think Vancouver management would do that deal. Good job.</div></div>

This is a bad deal. A 1st is way to much, maybe a 2nd.

We've got great comps for this,
Hronek - 1st, 2nd
Chychrun - 1st, 2nd, 2nd
McCabe (50% retained) Lafferty, 2x5th - 1st, 2nd

Hronek and Chychrun are WAY more valuable than Murphy. Yeah they paid 1-2 2nds more than you're asking but their difference in value is way larger. If you offered Murphy and 2x2nds for Chychrun or Murphy and a 2nd for Hronek you'd be laughed out of the building.

McCabe is also better than Murphy and for the same amount of time Murphy is being offered for, but 2.6m less per year. You'd need to pay a first just to get a team to retain 2m for 2.5 years lol.

Also, Canucks aren't paying to move Garland. He's playing great and driving their third line. There's no need.