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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 21, 2023 at 8:13 p.m.
Thread: Finishing touches
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sens2030</b></div><div>I agree with you logic of moving Kubalik and gaining an asset. First choice personally and looked at it a lot. My view is Dorion cannot stomach more failed pro side trades not working out in his favour (which has happened multiple times). Moving Kubalik highlights another mistake and selfishly based on past behaviour I think he happily pays an asset to move a Joseph over Kubalik to save face.

Joseph I believe will have a bounce back year but I wonder on how the relationship between player and club is? Maybe i've read into it too much.</div></div>
Anyone with half a hockey brain knows that Dorion is terrible at asset management. Keeping Kubalik to "save face" is only going to appease casual fans. If he spends a 2nd round pick to move Joseph (and just 1 year after trading Nick Paul to get him), he'll just cement himself as one of the worst GMs of all time even more.

If he trades Kubalik for a 2nd (which I believe is possible with his no risk low AAV year), that ADDS to the DeBrincat return &gt; 1st + 2nd + 3rd (Sebrango) + 4th. It makes it better than letting Kubalik walk after a 33 pts season (not enough PP time left over after the 10-ish better players get it)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sens2030</b></div><div>Branny is great but end of the day Chychrun Chabot and Sanderson are studs. Branny on the right side doesn't compliment those d. You need two way or shut down guys of which one or two have size. I rather Chychrun on the right side. Branny needs a chance to thrive and his value will diminish not getting the minutes in Ottawa imo.

End of day to have some flexibility two of Brannstrom, Kubalik and Joseph need to go. Pinto as a 10.2 RFA and limited leverage should sign around 1.85 on a short term deal.

What kind of return would you think Kubalik can bring? still limited trading partners so value not as high. I'd happily send him back to Chicago for OTT 3rd this year and 4th in 2026 but doubt they do it.</div></div>
I was wondering why you were talking about Brannstrom suddenly, realized I quoted you on that earlier, you just didn't quote the right post.

The Athletic has Pinto at 1.78 AAV on a 2 years bridge. Ottawa will (absolutely should) sign him for just 1 years so even cheaper.

I agree Brannstrom won't be in Ottawa long term (with Kleven coming up). I want him traded for an Eeli Tolvanen type (another boat Dorion missed). There's gotta a team with a lot of forwards who could use a D-man instead.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LivingAnew</b></div><div>I HIGHLY doubt Chicago would take Kubalik back. Heck, it was just a year ago that they didn't even qualify him as an RFA; they let him walk for nothing. He doesn't fit our long-term plans.

The tough thing for OTT is that there are darn few teams with the cap space and the willingness to take on cap casualties like Joseph and/or Brannstrom. While Joseph has value, he'll be long gone by the time the Hawks are relevant again. So, his "value" to the Hawks lies strictly in picks or other assets that'd accompany him in trade.

Brannstrom, on the other hand (IMO), could have some value to the Hawks - creating some stability in the RD position while the soon-to-be-drafted kids marinate and develop. The RD position is probably now the weakest of the Hawks' prospect pipelines. But as with any team in a serious rebuild, the Hawks are in the business of collecting draft picks, not trading them away. And contenders wrestling with the cap are willing to trade their RD cap dumps/casualties to us - and include picks (a la Zaitsev, as you know well) that serve our rebuild.

My sense is (and I could be wrong) is that the Hawks might, MIGHT consider taking Brannstrom and Joseph off OTT's hands for F/C. I thought OTT has some youngster now (or soon) ready to step into a 3rd line RD slot, too? Maybe that would be some solace?

The bottom line is that I think OTT is in a tough spot... Contending teams with picks may want to get better but have no cap room; teams with cap room don't envision themselves in a "win now" mode, and are in the business of collecting picks or assets for the long-term, not coughing them up. And this year it seems there are VERY few teams with much cap room, at all. It's a tough conundrum. Good luck!</div></div>
Brannstrom plays LD in Ottawa (Dorion and DJ don't want him on RD for technical reasons), he's a LHD

Tyler Kleven is ready to take Brann's spot. Need a good young forward back for him, not interested to sacrifice him for moving Joseph's contract.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 21, 2023 at 12:50 p.m.
Thread: Finishing touches
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sens2030</b></div><div>Feel like Brannstrom can insolate those young D and people are able to flip him if needed.</div></div>

I'd seriously consider that if I were the Hawks (i.e., Joseph, Brannstrom, and a 4th round pick)... I think Brannstrom can play both sides and the Hawks have very few bodies in the RD prospect pipeline. Worst case scenario is he (Brannstrom) doesn't pan out, and the Hawks don't qualify him after a year. But if Brannstrom can play okay, he could be a stop gap provision on RD. While the 2024 draft is supposed to be a good year for defensemen, it takes a LONG time for defensemen to develop - three to five years starting a year from now for most of them to matriculate into the NHL. And that's IF they make it.

It's a similar situation, imo (but shorter time frame) for the Hawks' forward prospects drafted this year. Joseph could be a useful piece to responsibly hold down a spot while the kids develop. By time HIS contract is up, some of the kids should be coming into the NHL.

And if Brannstrom turns out to be a good, reliable piece himself, that'd also be a win for the Hawks, IMO.

Bottom line: I'd take that offer. The downside seems low, and another fourth-rounder to get another bite at the draft apple is helpful, too.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 21, 2023 at 11:36 a.m.
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