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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 1, 2019 at 1:19 p.m.

Thread: One last thing

Basically the same thing as the team I just made (<a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1010634">https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1010634</a>) although I don't really see Rust going anywhere, and Carolina would definitely need a pick to agree to this deal.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 1, 2019 at 1:00 p.m.

Thread: PeNgUins wOnt gEt aNyThing foR brAsard

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div>Yeah, idk. They just got screwed out of Bjugstad they took a Rental and a few picks for a cap dump, and lose out on a great player in Bjugstad. Not a great trade for Florida imo.</div></div>

My guess would be that they intend to flip Brassard. Regardless, it looks like they're waving the white flag on next season.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 1, 2019 at 12:43 p.m.

Thread: PeNgUins wOnt gEt aNyThing foR brAsard

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeastModeUnknown</b></div><div>fLoRiDa iS sTuPiD fOr dOiNg tHiS dEaL.</div></div>

It looks like a salary dump to me. That's the only explanation that makes sense.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 1:48 p.m.

Thread: Realistic Barzal Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>joshelkin</b></div><div>IMO the Pens don't even have the RIGHT assets for Barzal. It would have to be absolutely ridiculous. But to suggest Guentzel is your main piece is a non-starter right there. Someone like Eichel/Keller/Pettersson gets a true conversation going</div></div>

Honestly, you're right. Crosby and Malkin are untouchable so the main piece <em>has</em> to be Guentzel. I wasn't really expecting the majority of the response to be from non-Pens fans, though. Since our fanbase is obsessed with Barzal ATM I just wanted to point out that any trade for him would absolutely gut the roster, regardless of whether it's realistic or not.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 1:42 p.m.

Thread: Realistic Barzal Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>youve wasted everyones time.</div></div>

I mean, if anything everyone (including yourself) willingly wasted their time when they decided to comment. I'm just the guy that made the post you're obsessed with.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 1:35 p.m.

Thread: Realistic Barzal Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>So you created a team suggesting that Barzal on the pens would be good and then said it won't work.

Just log off the internet.

I'll create a team that has an alien, george washington and jesus christ on the sabres and then tell everyone who comments that it wouldn't really be worth it and to read the description.</div></div>

I literally never said Barzal on the Pens would end well. My only point (which you've entirely missed) is that the Penguins are better with their current roster than they would be with Barzal minus everyone included in the trade.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 1:32 p.m.

Thread: Realistic Barzal Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>joshelkin</b></div><div>I could honestly argue against trading Barzal for Crosby straight up. I read the description, your logic is flawed and this isn't even remotely close</div></div>

The trade was never meant to be close, it's just a starting point to negotiations. Think about the package you would need to send him to Pittsburgh. That would cripple the Pens, would it not?

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 1:29 p.m.

Thread: Realistic Barzal Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>They are going to try to cripple you in order to aquire him considering you are in the same division. You would have to make it impossible for them to say no. I doubt you can.

There is a better chance of me winning the Powerball then there is of the Isles trading Barzal to the Penguins. Lol.</div></div>

And that's the only point I'm really trying to make. As nice as it would be to add a player like Barzal, everything they'd have to subtract to acquire him is just too much for one player to offset.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 1:09 p.m.

Thread: Realistic Barzal Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Barzal is a center and the face of their franchise that just lost Tavares. Barzal also put up 85 points last year to Guentzel's 48. Guentzel is a winger who is 2 years older too.

Barzal will not be traded. Stop fooling yourself.</div></div>

Well, obviously. The Pens would have to absolutely overpay to get him. My entire point is that it wouldn't be worth it.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 1:07 p.m.

Thread: Realistic Barzal Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>hockeyfanatic05</b></div><div>Why would the pens even want to trade Guentzel? He's proven to play very well with Crosby, and he's arguably been the best goal scorer in the playoffs the past 2 years</div></div>

I appreciate you, I feel like my point has flown over everyone else's head.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 1:05 p.m.

Thread: Realistic Barzal Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>The islanders don’t say yes. Period. You would never pay the price you’d have to pay to get him. There is no incentive to move him. To give them one you’d have to ridiculously overpay. What is the going rate for a 21 year old franchise player with another year still left on his ELC? Take that and multiply it by 2 and maybe you get them to the table. Maybe.</div></div>

You're halfway there. Now, would that ridiculous overpayment really be worth it for the Penguins? Think about it, they would have the most top-heavy team in the NHL and nobody to fall back on besides Barzal when Crosby and Malkin regress. I doubt that group would be successful long-term. Maybe they could win a cup now, but that's something they can already do with their current roster.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 12:47 p.m.

Thread: Realistic Barzal Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>I mean, the closest thing to a fair trade is Barzal + something for Malkin and that isnt happening</div></div>

The trade itself isn't really that important. Malkin isn't getting traded, so Guentzel would probably be the centerpiece of any package for Barzal. With all the assets the Penguins would have to give up, is it really worth it when you already have a player producing similar numbers?

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 12:42 p.m.

Thread: Realistic Barzal Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>Yup. They laugh even harder.</div></div>

Maybe so, but who cares? Add whatever you think is necessary to get the Islanders to say yes and tell me, is it really a trade worth making for the Penguins?

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 12:37 p.m.

Thread: Realistic Barzal Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_K</b></div><div>what about age, position, and any individual skill/talent assessment that isnt reflected in point totals and corsi/fenwick. Barzal is flat out a better hockey player. He's a magician out there.</div></div>

Well, that's not the point of this thread. This is a direct response to all the whacky Barzal trades Pens fans have come up with. Obviously, it wouldn't be a straight up trade, but the centerpiece of the package would have to be Guentzel. My point is that it wouldn't be a trade worth making for the Penguins.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 12:29 p.m.

Thread: Realistic Barzal Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Gofnut999</b></div><div>Islanders laugh at you.</div></div>

Did you read the description, mate?

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 12:05 p.m.

Thread: This just makes too much sense after ASG

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sqm918</b></div><div>True, but maybe there’d be 3??‍♂️ We’ll never know</div></div>

Well, Barzal didn't play a full season until last year. Let's be honest though, if they kept that pick they probably wouldn't have even selected him.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 27, 2019 at 11:56 a.m.

Thread: Pens Dream

I know this is more or less a pipe dream, but if the Islanders trade Barzal to the Pens they're gonna want Guentzel in return. If you compare the two players stats, they're pretty similar.

Guentzel: 47 points, 24 goals, 8.1 relative Corsi, and 54.8 FF%
Barzal: 45 points, 14 goals, 7.1 relative Corsi, and 53.0 FF%

The only major difference is the goals total, which is a given since Jake has Crosby creating opportunities for him. While Barzal played really well with Crosby last night, if you put Guentzel in that 3-on-3 tournament you'd get the same results.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 20, 2019 at 8:11 p.m.

Thread: Penguins Trade Deadline 2019

That condition doesn't work. Free agency is after the draft, so Brassard likely would resign after that pick is used. Remove that pick and make the third in 2020 going to Dallas on the condition that Brassard <em>doesn't</em> resign, then it'll work.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 18, 2019 at 7:39 p.m.

Thread: Going Forward

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Penjays66</b></div><div>I really like these deals. The only thing I would like to see trading one of our Left hand shot Dman to Carolina as well and get more help with Right hand shot defensemen. I don't like Jack J playing on the right side when he is a left hand shot. Perhaps something like Maatta for Justin Faulk or T. Van Reimsdyk.</div></div>

That wouldn't make any sense for Carolina

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 18, 2019 at 7:34 p.m.

Thread: Faksa

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MTF</b></div><div>There’s a need for a defensively capable center who can let Phil handle puck possession and offensive pressure. Faksa could be that and also young and cheap. He’d be a fantastic compliment to the pens roster</div></div>

While you're absolutely correct, that doesn't change the fact that he's overhyped. This trade is proof of that. Frankly, there are better players available with more experience to help them win now.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 17, 2019 at 3:45 p.m.

Thread: Pens

Why would Montreal trade anything for Dea when they could have claimed him on waivers for free?

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 17, 2019 at 3:43 p.m.

Thread: Faksa

Why are Pens fans so obsessed with Faksa? Also, the value on the Ferland deal is <em>way</em> off.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 16, 2019 at 3:30 p.m.

Thread: deadline

Overpaying for Ferland. Jarry and the second rounder will probably get this deal done. Not to mention that the Hurricanes wouldn't be interested in adding another defenseman.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 16, 2019 at 3:26 p.m.

Thread: BIG Trade with Winnipeg and Carolina for Cup Run

The condition to the Carolina trade doesn't make any sense. The draft is before free agency, so the Hurricanes will have already used the 2019 2nd round pick before Ferland signs a new contract.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 16, 2019 at 3:18 p.m.

Thread: Brassard and More Moves

Carolina passes on this deal. They've been looking to acquire forwards all season and while Brassard would be an upgrade over Rask, he's merely a rental. As for Maatta, he doesn't really fit into their long-term plans. If you look at their current defense, everyone is under team control for at least another season. With Slavin, De Haan and Fleury on the left side Maatta probably wouldn't see top-four minutes with the Hurricanes.

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