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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 7, 2019 at 4:14 p.m.
Thread: Wpg trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheTinkler</b></div><div>I get the generational thing I agree but saying that he can't be apart of the deal cause of remaining term isnt likely they arent getting pesce or slavin and bean is very possible but i think you are thinking wayyyy to much on term right now its svechnikov for laine thats the highlight the rest is meant to fill the voids winnipeg needs filled i 100 percent think they take hamilton on the term he has left they will need him for the next few seasons for sure and its worth it at that point I think people think that everyone needs three 7 year deals for 1 potential 8 year deal but thats just not how it works or ever goes down.</div></div>

In his 18 year old season Laine scored as many goals as Svechnikov got points in his 18 year old season so yeah I get they're the two centerpieces of the trade but wanting something with more then two years of term isn't that much to ask to make up the difference.

Winnipeg is a tough sell to players, it's just the way it is so no I'm not thinking too much about the term factor in this proposed trade. Could this trade happen with one of Faulk or Hamilton going to the Jets, yeah but Jets management would be making a big mistake.

Without a doubt what I see on this site is people not understanding the value of term and way overvaluing prospects, some which have barely played in the AHL let alone the NHL.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 26, 2019 at 6:14 p.m.
Thread: Leave for Quebec City
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>I wouldn’t trade a 7th rd pick for weber. He’s 34 and carries a cap hit 7.85 mil Left AAV for the next 7 years. No thank you.</div></div>

I get that, but as I wrote above he's still the best defenseman in MTL. Trading him makes the team significantly worse.

He also makes $6 million total over the last 4 of those years so it's not like he has a huge incentive to play out his contract.

If he does retire early then the cap recapture penalty goes to Nashville, not MTL so no problem there.

The only reason for him to not retire early is if he is still playing at a high level at that time, meaning his contract likely wouldn't be a big issue anyways (especially with the cap continually rising).

What I'm trying to express is that he isn't a cap dump candidate.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 10:42 a.m.
Thread: winnipeg - anaheim
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>Yup, completely agree</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheTinkler</b></div><div>Thank you yeah I'm pleasantly surprised that this turned out to be a solid discussion.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div>Ahah, Kase is primed for a breakout year with a modern day coach and not someone stuck in the mid-late 2000s like carlyle. I would hate to move him before we see what his ceiling is. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again, I would love Laine in Anaheim but I wouldn't be comfortable giving up Lindholm and Kase to get him, Lindholms Value to the ducks is probably higher than his actual value, and I'm probably higher on Kase than I should be but I'm so intrigued by his potential I would hate to see it get reached elsewhere. Everyone has their opinion, I respect yours, Kase is such an enigma I think it's close to impossible to properly value him atm. His advanced stats shows his potential but he hasnt been healthy enough to fully show it (20P in 30G last year).

He led the Ducks in Corsi for percentage (CF%) at 56.8% in 5-on-5 situations among players who played 30 games or more for the team. Kase also led the team in high danger scoring chances for percentage (HDCF%) in 5-on-5 situations among players who played 30 games or more at 57.2%.

Kase’s CF% was almost 10% better than the Ducks team mark of 47.6% in 5-on-5 situations last season. His HDCF% was more than 10% better than the Ducks team number of 44.8% in 5-on-5 situations last season.

( <a href="https://thehockeywriters.com/kase-ducks-2019-20-x-factor/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://thehockeywriters.com/kase-ducks-2019-20-x-factor/</a> ) link to an article about him</div></div>

GG everyone. Until the next battle
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 10:37 a.m.
Thread: Nick Leddy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>joshelkin</b></div><div>I see 2 trade routes for Leddy

1) Straight swap for a Top-6F. As Trotz said, the lineup needs a little more "pop". Ideally, this top-6F would be a power play specialist. Tatar or Hoffman comes to mind.

2) Futures. This would probably signal another move is coming and the Isles need to dump salary. A lottery protected 1st and 3rd OR a 2nd and B+ prospect are likely the starters.</div></div>

This is exactly what the ask SHOULD be from the Isles and you don't move him this year unless someone meets it. Only thing I would say is, if futures, a 1st is required no matter what. A 1st plus additional picks or a 1st and a B level prospect should be the demand.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheTinkler</b></div><div>Yeah see the issue I think is that he would leave a giant hole in that dcore even for a top 6 coming the other way my guess is that they would ask for a top 6 with a safety pick on the top 6 guy cause lets be honest leddy is a good dman but to the isles he is way more valuable then his overall league value. But basically yeah I agree with you.</div></div>

Toews will easily slide into Leddy's role, as he practically took it over last year. Plus the Isles have Aho, who is NHL ready and looked good in his call up two years ago, in the wings to move into the 3rd LHD spot. Isles are looking to move Leddy because they have two guys on cheaper deals who can step in right now and replace him, plus he's our most valuable and movable piece.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 10:21 a.m.
Thread: winnipeg - anaheim
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Barbs</b></div><div>The second I brought up Kase I knew you'd comment lol. I respectfully disagree with your evaluation of him (I think he's a really good player for the record) but that's fine because were arguing about the development of a bunch of 20 something year olds playing arguably the world's most chaotic sport. I take solace knowing were probably both wrong</div></div>

Ahah, Kase is primed for a breakout year with a modern day coach and not someone stuck in the mid-late 2000s like carlyle. I would hate to move him before we see what his ceiling is. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again, I would love Laine in Anaheim but I wouldn't be comfortable giving up Lindholm and Kase to get him, Lindholms Value to the ducks is probably higher than his actual value, and I'm probably higher on Kase than I should be but I'm so intrigued by his potential I would hate to see it get reached elsewhere. Everyone has their opinion, I respect yours, Kase is such an enigma I think it's close to impossible to properly value him atm. His advanced stats shows his potential but he hasnt been healthy enough to fully show it (20P in 30G last year).

He led the Ducks in Corsi for percentage (CF%) at 56.8% in 5-on-5 situations among players who played 30 games or more for the team. Kase also led the team in high danger scoring chances for percentage (HDCF%) in 5-on-5 situations among players who played 30 games or more at 57.2%.

Kase’s CF% was almost 10% better than the Ducks team mark of 47.6% in 5-on-5 situations last season. His HDCF% was more than 10% better than the Ducks team number of 44.8% in 5-on-5 situations last season.

( <a href="https://thehockeywriters.com/kase-ducks-2019-20-x-factor/" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://thehockeywriters.com/kase-ducks-2019-20-x-factor/</a> ) link to an article about him
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 10:19 a.m.
Thread: winnipeg - anaheim
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Barbs</b></div><div>I like the premise of this trade and am curious what people will say on the matter. Due to recency bias I've noticed most fans think Laine can be acquired at a major discount. An elite goal scorer like him should cost more than a top pair LHD and a 2nd IMO. I think for Winnipeg to pull the trigger on it, Anaheim would need to add a top 6 forward (like Kase) and maybe even an unknown commodity like Sprong. Anyways well done, keep on Tinkling</div></div>

Laine's ceiling is a top 5 winger in the league, lindholm is already a top 10 d man in the league, I don't think ANA would need to add much if anything to lindholm, and definitely not Kase and/or Sprong, and as a guy who cheers for both these teams I'd hate it from both their perspectives so... Ig that makes it balanced lol
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 10:01 a.m.
Thread: winnipeg - anaheim
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Salzy</b></div><div>In a vacuum strictly player for player, take the teams needs out of the equation I think they're close in value, but the Laine does hold more value based on how elite of a scorer he is. Now bring the teams in to the equation, I don't think the Ducks are in a position where they can add what would be needed to this deal. Lindholm is our best defensman and I can't see us wanting to add to him to get Laine (I'll admit I would love to have him) I just don't see this being a trade fit due to the cost.



The fact that Laine's "down year" was a 30 goal year shows how valuable he is, fans thinking he can be had at a discount are delusional, you don't get elite scores in their 20's for a discount. In a hypothetical deal, say Laine for Lindholm, Kase. That is way to much for the ducks to give up at this stage, when losing Lindholm and Kase but adding Laine doesn't make them overall better imo. Value wise I dont think Kase would be the add for just Laine, I see a pick and maybe Sprong, but even then I think that's too rich for Anaheim</div></div>

The second I brought up Kase I knew you'd comment lol. I respectfully disagree with your evaluation of him (I think he's a really good player for the record) but that's fine because were arguing about the development of a bunch of 20 something year olds playing arguably the world's most chaotic sport. I take solace knowing were probably both wrong
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 22, 2019 at 9:51 a.m.
Thread: winnipeg - anaheim
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheTinkler</b></div><div>See that's what I was kinda hoping too I feel like Lindholm is way too valuable of a dman to add anything but thought I would start with one of them having the extra value to see thank you.</div></div>

In a vacuum strictly player for player, take the teams needs out of the equation I think they're close in value, but the Laine does hold more value based on how elite of a scorer he is. Now bring the teams in to the equation, I don't think the Ducks are in a position where they can add what would be needed to this deal. Lindholm is our best defensman and I can't see us wanting to add to him to get Laine (I'll admit I would love to have him) I just don't see this being a trade fit due to the cost.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Barbs</b></div><div>I like the premise of this trade and am curious what people will say on the matter. Due to recency bias I've noticed most fans think Laine can be acquired at a major discount. An elite goal scorer like him should cost more than a top pair LHD and a 2nd IMO. I think for Winnipeg to pull the trigger on it, Anaheim would need to add a top 6 forward (like Kase) and maybe even an unknown commodity like Sprong. Anyways well done, keep on Tinkling</div></div>

The fact that Laine's "down year" was a 30 goal year shows how valuable he is, fans thinking he can be had at a discount are delusional, you don't get elite scores in their 20's for a discount. In a hypothetical deal, say Laine for Lindholm, Kase. That is way to much for the ducks to give up at this stage, when losing Lindholm and Kase but adding Laine doesn't make them overall better imo. Value wise I dont think Kase would be the add for just Laine, I see a pick and maybe Sprong, but even then I think that's too rich for Anaheim