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Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 4:10 p.m.

Thread: Markstrom not happy with Conroy

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>I think the quote is straightforward. He is not happy that he wasn’t traded. Watch the video.

The leaks are definitely not coming from NJD side. If so, we would hear just as much about negotiations with NSH on Saros, with ANA on Gibson, with CBJ on Merzlikins, etc. But there has been very little on those.</div></div>

He said he was unhappy with how it was handled. Falling through, being in talks to start with, being approached to waive, not being approached to waive there's a plethora of reasons as to why he could be unhappy.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 4:08 p.m.

Thread: Deadline

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>No, we follow common sense. No retention is no longer a deal breaker.

Markstrom is upset at ownership and/or the front office. (This is what MARKSTROM SAID)</div></div>

He said "up top" If you quote what he said then quote what he said.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 4:02 p.m.

Thread: Markstrom not happy with Conroy

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>In what universe does "up top" translate to New Jersey? Are you being intentionally dense?</div></div>

"Up top" the people above Markstrom in a position of working through the trade and trade talks, people who leaked information from up top so on so forth. If you choose to be as narrow minded as you are, you do you girl

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 3:56 p.m.

Thread: Deadline

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Yep, NJD is WILLING to take him without retention. Offer goes down tho.</div></div>

But the media said so!!!! And we have to follow what's most dramatic right?!

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 3:56 p.m.

Thread: Markstrom not happy with Conroy

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>"leaks from a new jersey source" lmao.</div></div>

Is completely off the table?? There's no mention of who "up top" is. Most likely option is ownership but why not run to most dramatic option possible

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 3:54 p.m.

Thread: Deadline

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>I'd expect that Devils pass without retention on markstrom (also NJD doesn't need retention on Hanifin).

Picks are going the wrong way in a Mangiapane for Whitecloud swap</div></div>

https://x.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1763661589788434506?s=20

We know you take the media as gospel so now we have to assume there's no retention.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 3:52 p.m.

Thread: Markstrom not happy with Conroy

Is that just what we are jumping on as "up top" or maybe the ownership who refuses to retain? Maybe even leaks from a New Jersey source? Maybe Conroy. The comment is vague and everyone has already ran to most dramatic route possible.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 3:35 p.m.

Thread: Nj is a family business

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>The front office and ownership very clearly.

Does Jacob Markstrom have to spell it out letter by letter for you?</div></div>

Pretty easy to pin it on Conroy if you so choose to be intellectually lazy with it, but the Flames ownership has always been hands on while refusing to retain. You can either jump to your conclusion to pat yourself on the back or look at the big picture. Up to you!

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 3:25 p.m.

Thread: Nj is a family business

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div><a href="https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports/status/1763655831373988113" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Quote video</a></div></div>

Neat, so have you determined who "up top" is??

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 2:38 p.m.

Thread: TDL Bs

I like the base of Debrusk+ for Mangiapane, I do think the deal would get caught up in retention and ultimately fall through. Unless the extension was in place prior to the deal I can't see Calgary retaining. Interesting thought though.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 2:26 p.m.

Thread: Nj is a family business

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Did you expect markstrom to come out in the media and say "**** the GM"? In NHLer interview terms, "Things could have been handled differently" is MAJOR</div></div>

Hahaha this is the most dramatic recreation of the scenario I have heard. Again, what was the question?

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 2:21 p.m.

Thread: Nj is a family business

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>If I was negotiating trades involving Markstrom I would have asked him which teams he was open to waiving for as a starting point and been open with him through the whole process. Also the leaks coming out where random Calgary fans are hearing **** from employees and people close to the team should have been much better managed. Keep a tighter ship.</div></div>

There's one team in desperation mode for a goalie... you approach him and say, where would you be willing to waive and please say it's only New Jersey... You're still thinking you've got an inside track on all of this when a vague statement came out that he's unhappy with some aspect of the trade talks. What was the questions that lead to the quote? Especially coming from Eric Francis.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 2:10 p.m.

Thread: Nj is a family business

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>When I claimed this exact thing a few weeks ago you claimed I was being ridiculous and "how could I know how Markstrom feels"</div></div>

So what would he have liked handled differently from up top? Is it regarding his name being in trades? Is it about moving out a ton of guys but holding onto him? Is it about a message sent to the room that they're still pushing while moving people out? Is it that they didn't move guys out earlier? Is it that he didn't think that there was good communication? Is it that he doesn't like that a trade fell through? Is it that the trade was in place before he was approached to waive? Was he asked to waive and the trade fell through? You genuinely still know nothing outside of a vague quote.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 2:05 p.m.

Thread: Nj is a family business

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>I don't want to seem like I'm gloating but:

"Everyone in here I really respect everything that's been going on and not going on and how everyone in this room has handled everything. I think it's been really good. I'm happy about that. I think it could have been handled a lot different from up top.” -Jacob Markstrom</div></div>

Of course it could be handled differently, like every situation surrounding trade talks. 1st year GM, media frenzy and being 1 of 2 top goalies available. He can be unhappy with how it was handled that's fine.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 1:59 p.m.

Thread: Ceci and Edmontons 1st versus Grushnikov and Dallases 2nd

I take the package they got over Ceci and a 1st. The draft class this season leans towards players who are going to need 3 - 5 years to develop, they got a kid that has been in that development cycle for a couple years already that counters what they have in their D pipeline already with Poirier, Brzustewicz, Morin, Kylington to an extent. If you are trading for a player that was drafted outside of the 1st round, Dallas is a pretty good place to make a deal with Stankoven, Robertson, Hintz, Bertucci all being picks outside of the 1st round. I also really really trust Conroy's scouting staff and believe they value this player above picking late in the 1st.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 1:47 p.m.

Thread: What I think the Leafs should do

Calgary really has no need for anything in that package outside of the 1st but the draft class beyond 15-20 is kind of a crap shoot. They're definitely not retaining on MAngiapane for an extra year for anything in that deal.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 12:52 p.m.

Thread: Hanifin with a cap dump

There's no point in Calgary moving Kuzmenko. His value is low, Calgary has the cap space and time to try build it up to move him at the deadline next year. If he continues to perform at the level he did in Vancouver then you walk him to free agency, no harm no foul.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 29 at 3:45 p.m.

Thread: Flames Prospect Team

As always, a lot of middle six talent while lacking a high ceiling stud.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 29 at 3:08 p.m.

Thread: Its happening

It ain't. Not close

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 28 at 5:14 p.m.

Thread: Realistic No Fun would be

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NunyaBitness</b></div><div>I'm on about him getting traded by the deadline and what the value is. I don't think Hanifin gets a first + but If it happens I'll take my lumps.</div></div>

Ohhh boy. It's crazy how much better a younger, less costly Hanifin has been than Hampus Lindholm in his 2021-22 season and the trade there was a 1st, a young player, two 2nds in a year where 10 - 12 notable d men were moved around the deadline.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 28 at 4:59 p.m.

Thread: TDL Rumors

I think you accidently put Rasmus instead of Josh Anderson in that deal.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 28 at 4:57 p.m.

Thread: Realistic No Fun would be

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NunyaBitness</b></div><div>Well we likely don't have to wait long to find out who's wrong. Let's check back in 9 days to compare notes. I'm big enough to own it if you end up correct.</div></div>

That Hanifin will get traded for Holloway... yeah no doubt that's not happening... What are you on about,.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 28 at 4:50 p.m.

Thread: Realistic No Fun would be

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NunyaBitness</b></div><div>Ok the trade above is way off but you're delusional if you think a 1st and Holloway is an opening offer for Hanafin as a UFA. He's a middling D on most teams, Good not great. You can keep him for the death march if that's your value.</div></div>

Neat. Wrong, but still a neat opinion!

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 28 at 4:49 p.m.

Thread: Deadline

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>Dellandrea + 2nd would be close for Tanev without retention but not with retention.

As for Greer he's on LTIR and projected to be out for several more weeks yet. That makes him a poor trade target for anyhow. Additionally he's been a good fit in Calgary the team will probably want to extend him.</div></div>

He fractured his foot a month ago with a timeline of 6-8 weeks, wouldn't be surprised to see him skating and ramping up after the deadline. He's not on LTIR but could slide there retroactive for any team looking to have a body in the playoffs when there is no cap. Flames are flush with bottom 6 forwards, I think he served his purpose but to log jam younger guys who are coming up is not worth keeping him around.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 28 at 4:31 p.m.

Thread: Deadline

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>The only reason Stranges has a higher NHL certainty is because he played in the AHL more last season. Both him and Kerins are similar caliber prospects though. If you click the expanded observations you would see that neither has really been updated since at earliest October. Kerins literally only has 2 observations wrote about him, hence only 2 points on the graph creating a straight line</div></div>

We will agree to disagree, that's all good. I think Stranges' tools are better and whether they are similar calibre now or not my thought was about acquiring the upside which I think is significantly higher than Kerins.

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