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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 5:07 p.m.
Thread:
Ek65
Pesce @ $2m probably means Carolina doesn’t have to add much…especially not 1st, 3rd, 5th
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 5:05 p.m.
Thread:
Ek65
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsforever34168891</b></div><div>EK65 in not worth 3 great prospects and 2 firsts, just trade him for Nylander</div></div>
Nylander is more valuable to the Leafs goals than all of these pieces.
Absolutely not
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 5:03 p.m.
Thread:
Ek65
EK65 in not worth 3 great prospects and 2 firsts, just trade him for Nylander
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 4:56 p.m.
Thread:
Ek65
Why would Carolina do this? Nylander's okay, but this would leave a gigantic hole in the right side of their D core. For Skjei? Maybe. Moving Pesce makes 0 sense unless they are certain of getting an EK deal done and that is why Pesce is still in Raleigh.
Plus, you wouldn't get a 1st on top of Pesce for Nylander, and Carolina would not be the team paying for retention, Toronto would
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 6:40 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>it's very funny seeing how absolutely no one can agree on what karlsson is actually worth
if this wasn't a poverty league he'd actually be worth a lot more than what everyone expects.</div></div>
There are factors that make him valuable
& there are those that diminish that value
The only legit way this will be answered is when EK65 gets traded (IF he gets traded, that is)
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 6:38 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>seanrushton</b></div><div>The Hurricanes won't overpay for an excess good like him... I wouldn't be shocked if Dubas panics and massively overpays for him</div></div>
Dubas doesn't panic.
The Pens are in the really fun position where nothing they do long term matters, and thus can kind of just take major long term risks for the right price.
Is that risk Karlsson? IDK.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 6:37 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>I'd agree but I think EK forcing the deal to a good team (and all of them being capped out) means the ret will need to be closer to 50% to even get that.
But again - never underestimate the stupidity of GMs so who knows</div></div>
The Hurricanes won't overpay for an excess good like him but I wouldn't be shocked if Dubas panics and massively overpays for him
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 6:29 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McRanteskog</b></div><div>I don’t value things properly but moments ago you just used Burns trade situation as a comparable to EK65?</div></div>
Yes.
Don't let the Pointzzz fool you.
The contract in this current cap situation outweighs everything
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 6:25 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McRanteskog</b></div><div>Lmao, free at 50% ?? For EK65?
Essentially SJS retains 50% of EK65 and trades to you for future considerations ? Lol
Burns isn’t the comparable here and you know better. Burns was 37 with a deal that carried until he was 40. EK65 just won the Norris and his deal ends just after his 37th bday</div></div>
Yeah, I don't think you're valuing the proper things correctly here.
Very much in line with what a dumb GM would do IMO.
As I said, I don't think EK has any real trade value. Or at least he shouldn't
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 6:25 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>seanrushton</b></div><div>My guess is that the return will basically be what it was for Burns</div></div>
I'd agree but I think EK forcing the deal to a good team (and all of them being capped out) means the ret will need to be closer to 50% to even get that.
But again - never underestimate the stupidity of GMs so who knows
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 6:22 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Random2152</b></div><div>Oh boy. I don't know about that. I guess it only takes one GM but the entire league is capped out right now - and frankly I don't have a huge amount of confidence that EK can hold 8.whatever of value over the rest of his deal.
Personally, I'd take him for free at 50%. Or maybe a return like what they got for Burns (basically nothing).
I don't think he holds value</div></div>
My guess is that the return will basically be what it was for Burns
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 6:20 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McRanteskog</b></div><div>Above EK65 is retained 50%, but after +/- 20%, he’s contract is no longer a negative</div></div>
Oh boy. I don't know about that. I guess it only takes one GM but the entire league is capped out right now - and frankly I don't have a huge amount of confidence that EK can hold 8.whatever of value over the rest of his deal.
Personally, I'd take him for free at 50%. Or maybe a return like what they got for Burns (basically nothing).
I don't think he holds value
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 6:19 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McRanteskog</b></div><div>Meh, it’s still the KHL brother. Doesn’t necessarily translate to the NHL 1for1 everytime. He had 20 pts the previous combined 95 games prior to last season. A lot of guys had strange years in the KHL last year.
Looking at COL alone:
Kamenev had 40 pts last year but never broke 18 prior
Kovalenko had 54 pts last year but never broke 21 prior</div></div>
Evaluating prospects is always a crapshoot but the KHL seems like it's a lot more on par with what you're going to get in the NHL than other feeder leagues. I'm just not a huge fan of dealing for EK in general for a few reasons
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 6:16 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McRanteskog</b></div><div>Ok, so above, SJS gets:
1st
2nd
Pesce
3rd rd prospect (Nikishin)
2nd rd prospect (Trikozov)
But now delete the “ very good prospect and multiple 1sts or 2nds”.
(1st, 2nd, Trikozov - GONE for retaining 5mil x 4 yr)
Pesce + Nikishin for EK65 4 yr x 5mil is what’s left.
^this still a massive overpay? For Christ sake, Pesce comes with 1 year term</div></div>
Canes just say no then. It’s too much to give up with the amount of risk tied to EK. He had a phenomenal season and is a game changer when healthy. The problem is the 3-4 years before last year he wasn’t healthy or very effective.
I completely understand the cost to retain long term is high. However the sharks don’t have a ton of leverage with only one other team reportedly still interested and the pens can’t come close to the canes in an offer. They’ve got to dump cap and they don’t have much in the way of blue chip prospects. So it becomes, does SJS want the best offer they’re gonna get? Or do they hold out if nobody is willing to give them this type of offer and just keep ek?
I’d imagine the best offer would be pesce (or a first and a prospect flip for him) + a very good, but not great prospect (most prospects avail outside of Nikishin morrow nadeau) + Philly second + another second with conditions to become a first. So that’s 1 first, 2 A-/B+ prospects, 2 seconds (with potential to become a first). If that’s not enough than just ride with pesce as our own rental.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 6:13 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>homiedaclown</b></div><div>Teams have gotten a 1st for retaining 1 year of $5-6mil
So it would at least be two 1sts + another pretty good asset,
I would think anyways
Seems to me that the price would be so high that a deal like that wouldn’t get done</div></div>
I mean to me it isn't just the price for retention but who they retaining on... a guy who's in his early 30's primed for regression and they are asking us to give up our best prospect in the process.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 6:02 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McRanteskog</b></div><div>Ok, so above, SJS gets:
1st
2nd
Pesce
3rd rd prospect (Nikishin)
2nd rd prospect (Trikozov)
But now delete the “ very good prospect and multiple 1sts or 2nds”.
(1st, 2nd, Trikozov - GONE for retaining 5mil x 4 yr)
Pesce + Nikishin for EK65 4 yr x 5mil is what’s left.
^this still a massive overpay? For Christ sake, Pesce comes with 1 year term</div></div>
Nikishin is way better than a "3rd-Round prospect" would suggest he just had one of the highest-scoring seasons by a defensemen in the history of the KHL. For four years of a defenseman (Even at 50% retained), that's due to declining massively during part of that contract... yah that seems like quite a huge price to pay
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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 5:41 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>McRanteskog</b></div><div>But how much of that return is for retaining 5+ mil x 4 years. Seriously, take EK and the rest out of it. What is the market value to retain 20mil+ over 4 years? Now whatever answer you came up with, deduct that from SJS return</div></div>
Given his age and his price point, it would probably be something in the realm of a good prospect, a first and another high-round draft pick.
So basically for retention, they are asking for one the best defensive prospect in the leauge and a NHL roster player
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 5:15 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
LMAO, what? San Jose have almost 0 leverage. EK wants out, San Jose are rebuilding, and there are other RD options including, oh hey look Brett Pesce!. If San Jose want any major return for him at all, they're eating half his contract, and they sure as hell ain't getting Nikishin
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 5:14 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
Lol... that's an insane offer for a defenseman on the wrong side of 30
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 22, 2023 at 5:13 p.m.
Thread:
My ask for Erik K
At no point did San Jose ever have Prime Erik Karlsson. That was in Ottawa
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Jul. 19, 2023 at 7:43 p.m.
Thread:
Everyone gets what they want
Canes are seriously getting shafted.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Jul. 19, 2023 at 1:55 p.m.
Thread:
Everyone gets what they want
KK isn't getting moved. I would not include him in a trade proposal.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Jul. 19, 2023 at 12:34 p.m.
Thread:
Everyone gets what they want
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Replace Pesce with Necas and Vladar for a 1st/2nd, then Leafs may say yes</div></div>
Carolina and Calgary both say no to that.
Forum:
Trade Machine Proposals
Jul. 19, 2023 at 9:53 a.m.
Thread:
Everyone gets what they want
Not what we want...
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Trade Machine Proposals
Jul. 19, 2023 at 7:44 p.m.
Thread:
EK65 trade
EK is staying a Shark then. Canes aren’t moving KK, and are only just hanging around waiting for the price to drop. If you want him out so bad, send him to Pittsburgh
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