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Forum: Armchair-GMDec. 14, 2018 at 6:18 p.m.
Thread: Habs more youth trades car-tor
if you try really hard...perhaps in terms of value the CAR deal is close lol, but it still favors MTL for sure. No way CAR trade Slavin. Sure CAR are getting a lot of solid assets back (besides Schlemko lol). but they would have no one on LD to replace him. Thus, CAR easily declines.

I'll add Danault is <strong>becoming</strong> extremely valuable however. Right now he's putting the same numbers as other Centers like Schmaltz, Kadri, Backlund, and all of them are very close to the same time ice time (around 17mins a game) but Danault with zero PP time, while the other 3 mentioned average close to 2 PP minutes a game. and yes face offs is still an added bonus since Danault is 12th overall in the NHL in face-offs taken. he's not an elite F/O guy to be clear though, he's very average at 51.5%

EDIT: even though I would be all for trading Petry in the offseason, not sure for Kapanen though, I can still see Habs management turning this down. Petry 8th overall in points by a defensemen. worth more than a forward only worth $3mil aav on a bridge deal, am I right Leafs fans?! *wink*
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 21, 2018 at 5:00 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 12, 2018 at 6:43 p.m.
Thread: Patches to STL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bjprice</b></div><div>I'm not mad at your deal - I don't prefer it, but I respect your effort and thought. I think it is comical that some commentators feel more is needed for a guy with 4 5v5 goals in 42 games.

My biggest issue issue would be moving Thomas/Musil for a winger, even an amazing one - I would be much more receptive to any trades like this where one of the 4 STL wingers (Kostin, Kyrou, Thompson, or Blais, obviously for the appropriate asset in return) are involved. It isn't that I necessarily think Robert Thomas is the second coming, only that he is quite literally the only legit top 6 center in the system, and Musil the only legit bottom 6 center in the system. I am categorically opposed to moving either unless they are in a package for a center. If, for example, Tavares were moved, then I would assume Robert Thomas is part of that package.

I think if Kane goes near the deadline then he will return a high B prospect or middle B RFA NHL-er, and a pick. That could be a high end prospect, but the pick would be lower. In the end I think he will return pretty much in-line with previous years "best" in the position.

For example, in 2016 Andrew Ladd was the best winger available, and returned Marco Dano and a 1st. Dano is 23 and has less than 50 total points in his NHL career.

Kevin Shattenkirk is the leagues best PPQB, was in his prime, and only drew a B level RFA winger and a 1st.

Any team calling on Evander, if they are getting the run-around, has too many options this year to look elsewhere. Just off of the top of my head, Rick Nash, Patric Hornqvist, Josh Bailey, and Pat Maroon are all on teams outside of the playoff window. If you add in the Vegas oddity, James Neal or David Perron are possibilities. JVR is a UFA and not resigned in Toronto. Beyond all of that, and I'm sure I've forgotten a few, you'll have the usual pile of lower tier options including Vanek, Stepniak, etc.

I don't think any GM will be motivated to pay beyond the recent market prices for Evander Kane, and I haven't even touched the myriad of locker room issues that have followed his career, and are why Buffalo is stuck in the position of trading a 20-30 goal scoring winger as a deadline rental.</div></div>

Good points and analysis. I just want to add a couple things though:

Dano was 20 years old at the time of the trade. In hindsight, he didn't turn into anything really but at that time was a coveted prospect. Many would argue he was one of the key pieces to the CLB deal for Saad. I think seeing how he's progressed has altered your impression of the trade. Hindsight is 20/20. The equivalent to that trade today but with STL would be Thompson and a 1st for Ladd with the retention.

Ladd was the same age Pacioretty is now. Similar contract. Both captains. Pacioretty has better numbers through out his career but Ladd had won a cup with Chicago so lets call it even. Both guys production thus far this year is similar. Pacioretty has a 0.55 PPG while Ladd has 0.58 PPG at the time of the trade.

What is one of the biggest differences? Pacioretty has another year on his already cheap contract! You mentioned a couple comparisons like Ladd and Shattenkirk and Kane but they were/are all pending UFA's. Look at deals where the player had an extra year on their contracts. Duchene, Lucic, Yandle, St Louis, etc.
Now Imagine with retention too? Lets say all 50% of it. That is 2.25M for this year and next for a guy whose had more goals the past 7 years than any player in the league that wasn't a former 1st round pick. (Ovi, Stamkos, JT and Kane)

Yes 4 5v5 goals in 42 games. Sucks. Its been really sucky this year. if you watched all the Habs games this year you'd know he has been incredibly snake bitten. I can vividly remember at least 5 times this season where a goalie absolutely robbed Pacioretty with the luckiest of Hasek like flopping saves. Frankly just with those 5 shots alone would all this major negativity against be changed.......

I think at the end of the day what annoys me the most is not that people on here don't want to pay the price us Habs fans are expecting for Pacioretty. We can't force anyone to do it. Its actually just how badly 1 year and not even a full year mind you its only 42 games, has seemed to have completely altered his value in some peoples mind. 42 games ago, Pacioretty was an elite goal scorer that any team would love to have and would instantly make them a better club. Now? He is dismissed because he isn't scoring like the 6 previous years before this one....

Its like people on here are only interested in the flavor of the month. A player could be a bum for 3 years of his contract and then on the last year put up good numbers and people would say he has better value then the guy whose did the opposite. (3 good years and 1 bad year). I guess I just feel bad for Pacioretty. One day he's one of the best there is and boom all that hard work and talent out the door in a matter of 42 games because its a "what have you done for me lately" mentality around these parts.

Its really unfortunate because Pacioretty is a stud. Even studs have bad seasons some times. Remember Marchand in 14-15? Marleau in 07-08? Nash in 13-14? Each one of those guys rebounded with big years the following year.

But the thing that absolutely pisses me off though, is if the Habs trade Pacioretty for decent but not full value like you say and he goes to STL and scores 40 goals next year. Everyone and their mother is going to be like " Lol stupid MB traded a stud player for less than he should AGAIN". If he doesn't produce as much as he was supposed to or thought he would, "SEE i told you he was a garbage player, we should of never traded for him. Hes a bum".

It seems its almost a lose/lose situation for MTL.....

All I know is it seems people on here covet their prospects a little too much. Which by the way everyone does. Even me. Ask any fan base about their top prospects aside from the ones who have like top 5 picks players or something and they're going to praise that player above and beyond reason. Im starting think unproven prospects have more value then the actual NHL players. Simply because they're still "Unknown".

All I know is as bad as Pacioretty has been this year, he hasn't actually played bad. He's been unlucky (6% SH average) and he's playing on one of the worst offensively talented teams in the league this year......whats more likely? That the team is garbage and Pacioretty is just snake bitten or that Pacioretty is just overrated/ never was really that good and he was just lucky to get all those goals playing next to David Desharnais for 5 years straight?

That answer is pretty obvious. Like i said, if Habs don't get full value for Pacioretty, whatever. We can't force teams to give us good prospects and picks. But the lack of respect Pacioretty is getting this year is beyond insane. He literally has more goals in his career (thus far only) than every single STL Blues player in their entire history save for 4 players....... Hull, Federko, Sutter and Unger.

Its just a shame everyone looks at 4 5v5 goals in 42 games and not all the other stuff he's done.