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Forum: Armchair-GMSun. at 9:05 p.m.
Thread: Realistic trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingofRnR</b></div><div>Yet another Classic TOR Fans just not wanting to accept they could be wrong or that they’re inaccurate with their beliefs and need to double down and their straight up BS🤦‍♂️ And ppl here wonder why I lose my patience and get cranky with their Fan Base…. 🤷‍♂️

The whole point is Zadorov did not request a trade. It was a stupid tweet by his stupid agent. And even if he did ask for a Trade (which he didn’t), why walk it back!?

What do you do for work!? Agents are on par with Used Cars Salesman, Alaskan Ice Salesman and Lawyers, they’ll do or say anything to close a deal… bunch of Greaseballs for the most part

Anyways, if Zadorov doesn’t turn things around here, I’ll be happy to see him go. He’s making me look bad for standing up for him, but we’re gonna get good value for him regardless</div></div>

I could be 100% wrong. I never said I could not be. I also agree on your take on Agents (I would add real estate agents to your list :) )

But some people use their agent as the bad guy. (not saying this is the case as I have no insight to Zadorov other than what's int he media)

yes the Flames could find a GM that values him more, is desperate GM or bidding war and get more than what he's worth, Time will tell

and I work in Banking
Forum: Armchair-GMSun. at 8:32 p.m.
Thread: Realistic trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingofRnR</b></div><div>I know exactly what he said lol, but watch Zadorov speak about it himself:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSG2JURX-zM" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Zadorov's Response to his Agent's Tweet Suggesting he be Traded (starts 1:00min in)</a>

I was very clear that yes, Zadorov is indeed frustrated about the lack of contract talks and wanting more minutes and that he's being supportive of his Agent's decision, but that the decision to post that Tween was 100% all Milstein's and NOWHERE has Zadorov said he wants out no matter what. If TOR Fans think I'm high on Zadorov, go bug Milstein who believes Zadorov is the Calgary Flames BEST Defensemen... What an idiot lol and it's completely backfired on both Milstein and now Zadorov, who's completely rattled and lost as a result now. Talk about being thrown in front of a bus lol

Now go ahead and interpret that however you want too to make it fit your wishful thinking &amp; beliefs, but I repeat, Zadorov has not personally or publicly requested a Trade, it was his stupid agent making insinuations in an attempt to force Conroy's hand and it didn't work, I'll tell you that much</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>That doesn't bring his value down at all. He literally said the next day after his agent made those posts that he would still love to play the rest of his career in Calgary. He also has no trade protection so he has no say where he goes</div></div>


At the end of the day He says it himself "the business side sometimes stuff happens" I don't doubt he likes playing in Calgary and would be willing to sign an extension at the right price but Agents don't make comments like that with out talking to their clients and you can walk back comments after the fact but there is a hint of what's going on. Maybe he will tell us the other 90% when he's traded.

As far as his trade value you lose leverage when a player asks for a trade even if they walk it back. Where there's smoke there's fire and I smell something burning with the flames.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun. at 7:45 p.m.
Thread: Realistic trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingofRnR</b></div><div>See that there is FALSE #FakeNews right there too. Zadorov has not personally or publicly requested a Trade either. He wants a Contract and More Minutes/TOI

Flames put his contract extension talks on hold, so knowing Zadorov was frustrated, his Agent put out a Tweet that inferred perhaps he'd be better off moving to another Team as a Negotiation Tactic and attempt to Force Conroy's hand to give him the deal they were working towards... Zadorov himself said as much, claiming it was his Agents idea and choice to do that, but being the loyal honorable guy he is, he said he supports and trust his agent to make the best decisions for him to get the best result. At the same time, he reiterated he loves Calgary and wants to be a Flame forever, but acknowledged there is a business side to Hockey, meaning he wasn't just gonna accept a low ball offer to stay.

What needs to happen now is determine what direction the Flames are going and what offers are made to Conroy as a result between now and the Deadline. They could reconcile, but if it pissed Management and Ownership and Guys in the Locker Room enough, yes, Zadorov is as good as gone, especially given the haul of a return we're expecting for him. Since his Agent through him in front of the bus, Zadorov has gone on a slump and it is absolutely back firing on his Agent. To me, Zadorov's now torn and unsure of anything. Firing his Agent is the best thing he could do imo

Details matter man and I keep putting up evidence and receipts to support my arguments, but very few of posters on here do. They quickly jump to the "well you're gonna lose him for nothing then, cause I don't see him being around in March" BS. Time will tell if Chiarot's Value is higher, but it shouldn't. The Stanley Cup run is nice and all, but we got a beat up Coleman and Kadri who are finally just now feeling close to 100%, so I could easily argue that playing that much hockey (especially the gruelling style of playoff hockey) can actually be a detriment to a Player and thus could affect his value negatively.</div></div>

I don't follow the flames or Zadorov but you basically outlined that he via is agent asked for a trade. Also the below link confirms his talks with the Flames about a trade. He added like most players "Zadorov said he "loved" his time as a Calgary Flame and that he would like to stay with the team for his career. "

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/nikita-zadorov-defends-agent-confirms-flames-trade-talks-1.6641863

So this sounds like he and his agent have both publicly requested a trade and are keeping their options open to a deal in Calgary.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun. at 7:15 p.m.
Thread: Realistic trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingofRnR</b></div><div>Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you... Go check out my TPS Reports on the matter above if you'd like

Abruzzese can't even make the Leafs Bottom-6 and Steeves and McMann got the call-ups over him. He definitely wouldn't make the Flames, I can tell you that... We wouldn't waste a pick on him either, he'd just be a throw-in/sweetener. His familiarity and history with Coronato are definitely nice and intriguing and the only reason we would take back another Left Shot Forward, but that doesn't affect his Trade Value

Zadorov's value depends on whether he's Traded now or at the Deadline. The closer to the Deadline, the more he will bring. UNRETAINED, he's worth a 2nd + 2nd/3rd + Contract Swap/Benoit/Timmins. With Retention, he's worth a late 1st + Contract Swap/Benoit/Timmins. If he makes it all the way to the Deadline, watch out, he could fetch even more. He's Younger, Bigger and Better than Chiarot was when he got Traded to FLA and there's a lot more interest in Zadorov than there was Chiarot at the time. If Traded, only Haniffin or Tanev would fetch more than him. They're all unique, but extremely valuable Trade Pieces, especially to contenders, but they're all worth pre-negotiating extensions on to increase their values as well, meaning if the offer is interesting enough, Conroy will allow Teams to speak with their agents about putting extensions in place immediately upon their arrivals...</div></div>

I would say Chiarot value was higher as he was coming off a Stanley cup finals run. Lets not forget that Zadorov has asked for a trade so that will bring his value down. I don't see him being around in March