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Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 31, 2021 at 4:53 p.m.
Thread: hertl on da block
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Windjammer</b></div><div>Being able to sign Hertl to an extension doesn't make him any more valuable. He's still a rental when he comes over and that's a crazy price for a rental. Hertl is okay, but not needed. The Jets are set at center.

The Jets also just signed Lowry to an extension and along with Copp they form 2/3 of Winnipeg's excellent shut down line. Trading players away right after they have recently committed to the team just isn't something True North does.

No GM that is competent is going to trade 3 roster players that help make Winnipeg's biggest weakness, defense, better to pick up a player that is a luxury to make their already good offense slightly better.

I'd prefer Chevy build a team that is hard to play against and can win, than just try to collect as much talent as he can and ignore building a good team.</div></div>

I'm gonna respond to each point you made:

1. if an extension is part of the deal, the player isn't a rental. Just like how VGK traded &amp; signed stone, they had to pay a high amount. Personally, i don't mind trading depth pieces for 1st line players, because depth pieces are replaceable. You don't have to play hertl at centre, but he provides you more options in the future.

2. It's business. Dylan DeMelo <strong>chose</strong> to waive his right to Unrestricted Free Agency to sign long term here. One year later he found himself exposed to Seattle in the expansion draft. I don't care that lowry recently re-signed, Hertl is waaaaay more valuable. Copp will also be going to Unrestricted Free Agency at the end of the season, so at least you're getting a return on that player.

3. Hertl is an incredibly good two way forward. He would bring defensive responsibility to our top six, which would mean we wouldn't need to rely on our third line so much defensively. As i was saying before, Copp is likely going to be walking at the end of the season, Stanley is a bottom pair dman with *maybe* 2nd pair potential and thats only if things really work out for him and he fixes his skating, and Heinola / Samberg (especially Heinola) are waiting in the wings and would easily replace Stanley, and have more upside for the future. When it comes to Lowry, 3.25M until 2026 is a lot. As much as i love Lowry, It's never a good idea to give long term deals to depth pieces because they are replaceable, and those long term 3M+ deals are what kills teams cap. Plus, in order to acquire and extend Hertl, along with Dubois next year, the jets will need to clear cap

4. You know what team is hard to play against? The Tampa Bay Lightning. Is it because they are big bruisers? or is it because they have incredibly skilled players, who control the puck and score. my guess is the latter, but hey it's not like they just won the cup two years in a row right? Hertl is <strong>exactly</strong> the type of player who is hard to play against. Talented play driver with finishing talent and incredibly good in the defensive end.


anyways this trade will never happen bc Jets overvalue their depth, Stanley, and this just makes cap stuff more complicated in the future. But if' you're going to argue they would be a worse team after doing this, you are very wrong my friend. Oh and Hertl would put WPG on his M-NTC
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 31, 2021 at 4:11 p.m.
Thread: hertl on da block
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jimmyjets</b></div><div>I think Hertl has 3 teams he can be traded to and it's unlikely he chooses to come to Winnipeg.

We also can't afford the extension for him and PLD.

I think Hertl is great, can play C or RW which we need but I don't think he's a fit here. Maybe to Montreal if they don't match on KK or to Carolina if they do match on KK???</div></div>

i totally agree on the fact that he wouldn't come here. i would need to look into the future to see what can be done regarding his extension as well as dubois', but i would hope that cleaning up some of the depth deals would give way to sign both dubois and hertl. at very worst im sure you could find someone to take on wheelers contract.

Hertl is very very good, and at a 7M deal would be an incredible steal imo