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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 28, 2018 at 9:27 a.m.
Thread: Minor Moves OTT (Hossa Trade) and UFAs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div><a href="/users/orignalsix" target="_blank">@orignalsix</a>

There might be other items relating to the TOR specific case, but Allow me to quote the NHL_NHLPA_2013_CBA.

13.9 ….A Player on a Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception Conditioning Loan will continue to be listed on Injured Reserve and will not count against the Club's 23-man roster limit. The Club's Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception will continue until the Conditioning Loan ends, and his Paragraph 1 NHL Salary and Bonuses will continue to count against the Club's Upper Limit and the Players' Share during such time....

There are always exceptions to the rule...I'm purely guessing here, but TOR has a lot of smart people and found loop holes.

***EDIT*** From <a href="/users/Stan_Bowman" target="_blank">@Stan_Bowman</a> 's mouth...not that detailed though.

<a href="https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chicago-blackhawks/why-placing-marian-hossa-long-term-injured-reserve-wouldnt-help-blackhawks-cap" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chicago-blackhawks/why-placing-marian-hossa-long-term-injured-reserve-wouldnt-help-blackhawks-cap</a></div></div>

Oh, please this nonsense about Toronto and loopholes. Hossa like Horton and Lupul (and other NHLers) are on LTIR so has you indicate under 13.9. as full cap relief. So there is really no benefit for the Hawks or Sens to be trading Hossa. It is when bonuses are paid is the only negative to have a LTIR, but fans seem obsessed with these trades.
Regarding Lupul, the Leafs did not want his 5.25m cap hit. I'm sure Lou told him, if you return you will send to the Marlies and ride the AHL buses. So Lupul preferred to stay home in California and not get NHL medically well enough. But that was Lupul's choice....my assumption, Lupul created the loophole, not the Leafs. Just like Hossa, his medical condition can't be cured in four years? Rather not get "well" than play for very little actual money in his contract, and the Hawks are very "cap" grateful.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 27, 2018 at 9:51 a.m.
Thread: Minor Moves OTT (Hossa Trade) and UFAs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>Yeah, I can. It's complicated though. This year...it won't matter. (Next year...maybe a bigger deal...I don't know yet) CHI is well below the cap. However, Hossa can't be LTIR until day 2. So Bowman needs to include Hossa's $5.275M cap hit for the season opening day....not season opening game... Additionally, This website does a pretty good job of the explaining day to day the differences on how cap accrues and LTIR affects that accrual. Read that then come back to this sentence. It's a small price to pay for Trade Dead Line flexibility. Just my opinion.

<a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq">https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq</a></div></div>

No exo2769, that is incorrect. LTIRs can be used at any time including the summer. The best example recently was the Leafs last summer. They had two players, Lupul and Horton on LTIR before the season started. They did not have to carry these players and that 10.5m onto the opening day lineup They could still spend up to 75m and have two players on LTIR at 10.5 for total of 85.5m. I's just false that teams can't spend to the cap for injured players.. The CapFriendly site doesn't show it well, but it just not true that teams have carry injured players as part of their 79.5 cap hit.
There is one benefit of not having Hossa on the team, and that it might affect when a team pays it's Performance Bonuses, which is shown on the CapFriendly "team listing site".
THe Hawks don't have a big PB coming in 2019/20 so it may not be worth there while trading Hossa. Hossa has to be included in the opening day llneup in most probability in the Hawks want pay there PB of 2018/19 in 2018/19.
Players on LTIR, yes I can understand some reasons why they traded. 1. The PB bonus schedule. 2. Another team wants to cap floor, which doesn't seem to be an issue now. But to often CFGMs are trading LTIR players for the wrong reasons. They just think having a player on LTIR is so detrimental to their cap, and it isn't.